questionsanyone own a safe, fire and water resistant, that…

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Need more details than you've provided. I have a safe, and it's bolted into the cement in my garage. I got it on sale, but my guess is that it's going to be overkill for what you want.

Cost? Size? Do you have a place that it can be bolted down? Floor joist is fine. Is this a raised floor with crawl space?

Why don't you get a safe deposit box at the bank? (note, that's a question, not a comment)

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I found this site to be VERY helpful when researching safes before my wife and I bought one:

http://www.everysafe.com/

I especially like the Super Search feature:

http://www.everysafe.com/Super-Search-All-Safes-C21525.html

Which allows you to narrow down the selection based on what features are important to you. We wound up buying from BJs.com because one of the models we wanted went on sale there.

Be sure to look for free shipping & HOME delivery (some places only deliver to loading docks). As you might imagine, shipping can kill a deal on something that weighs 200 lbs.

Oh, and I'm not sure if this matters to you, but there's a separate rating for whether a safe can protect CDs, DVD, Flash Drives and Hard Drives. Basically the safe has to be able to keep the internal temperature below a certain point so electronic data isn't destroyed.

That was a must for us, as we store DVDs of photos and a backup hard drive in there, along with important papers and the other normal stuff.

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My husband recommends a Cannon brand safe. He's been looking at purchasing a second safe and has been pleased with both the price and fire ratings.

If you happen to have a Tractor Supply Store near you, check to see what they have. Our local store had some knock out deals. They were so good that the Cannon safe rep my husband spoke with at a Safari convention couldn't believe it.

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I have a large gun safe at home. It holds over 70 guns from my personal protection. There are several factors in picking a safe. Security, size, fire resistance etc... Depending on what you are looking to protect, I would recommend a Sargent and Greenleaf lock. They have been proven time and time again to be the best. Pick something with a quality fire rating. Size DOES matter. My safe is 1300 lbs, and took 6 guys to move into my house. If you do not require something so big, put some weights in the bottom of the safe to make it more difficult to move. Anyone that breaks into your house will be looking for something EASY to move. If your safe weighs 200 lbs, you have 200 lbs of valuables in it and another 200 lbs in weights, the common thief will not waste their time to move it. If you have a quality safe, they will not be able to break into it on-site.

Hope this helps, and good luck in your safe hunt!!!!

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@dcman4usn: Not to get off-topic, but over 70 guns for your personal protection? How many can you use at once? I remember that one Simpsons episode...

Anyway, back on topic. Having worked at an office supply store for a while I can say that if you're worried about fire/water, you can get something small; they are generally pretty resilient against the elements, but someone can just pick it up and walk away. If you are worried about someone breaking in an stealing it, dcman4usn makes a good point about heft.

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@anotherhiggins: A slight word of caution on that search. If they don't carry a brand, matches for it will just bring up brands that they do carry. I'm a big fan of Liberty safes (the Centurion in my garage is a Liberty), and all I could find on everysafe was a list of ALL the safes they carried.

Here's the page where it goes right from Gardall to Mesa.

http://www.everysafe.com/asp/keyword.asp?sortby=4&keyword=liberty%20safes&maid=&matchtype=3&keywordvalue=libertysafes&minprice=0&maxprice=0&catcount=0&shipsin=&stype=2&command=dosearch&itemsperpage=12&curpage=10&rowcount=150&ListFormat=1&LayoutFormat=1

Good site, but there's still other safes out there. Mine's a gun safe, primarily, which is why I hadn't mentioned it before, but it is also waterproof and fire resistant.

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Be sure to buy a safe much bigger than you think you'll need. Seriously. You WILL out grow the safe. God knows we have.

Rorke's Drift, my fanny. Jeesh.

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@shrdlu: Do you have a golden rod in yours? We're looking to buy an additional safe and put the current one in the garage, but I'm concerned about the humidity. How are you handling the humidity?
(Not looking forward to that evolution of drilling and bolting them all over again.)

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@lavikinga: I noticed a humidity problem in ours a while back. I put a small container of Damp Rid in the bottom. That seemed to take care of the problem quickly.

@jimmyd103: I realized that I never told you what kind of safe we got. We wound up getting a Sentry. It requires a key and combination to open it and will bolt to the floor while remaining water resistant. (Anything that bolts to the floor is only water resistant at best because the housing can't be completely sealed - unless you seal it yourself somehow.)

Here are some other features:
* UL classified 30ft drop test; UL classified fire protection
* ETL-verified protection up to 2 hours for CDs, DVDs, USB drives and memory sticks at 1,850°
* Lifetime after-fire replacement

(Y'all better not try to come steal my stuff now)

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@lavikinga: I live in a desert. Average 6 inches or less of precipitation a year. In the summer, humidity can be expressed in a single digit, some days.

@anotherhiggins is correct; bolting it to the garage floor means that it cannot possibly be water proof, but it's certainly water resistant. I actually keep negatives, and computer backups, at a safe deposit bank in town, along with any truly important paperwork.

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@shrdlu: Thanks for that website. I have been casually (not actively) looking for a handgun safe. There are some on Ebay that look like books, but they are too small, and don't fool anybody. I see they (everysafe.com) have what I need whenever I'm ready to buy one.

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@shrdlu said: "and all I could find on everysafe was a list of ALL the safes they carried."

The second link I provided was a search feature that allows you to pick one or more options from several categories.

Here it is again:

http://www.everysafe.com/Super-Search-All-Safes-C21525.html

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@anotherhiggins: Oh, sorry about that, you posted the website originally. Thank you!

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@anotherhiggins: I saw all their search features. I am saying that their search didn't show all the safes that there were out there, and that when I searched for Liberty, it returned me the comprehensive list of safes they sold, rather than any reference to Liberty (which was part of the incredibly long link I posted).

I used your search link to get to the link I posted. I just tried it again. I would actually not expect them to show me a safe they didn't carry; how would they do that? By pointing me to a competitor's site? There are three or four brands that I know, that I tried, and I only got successful searches for the safes they sold. I am not objecting to this; it would be expected behavior. I am merely pointing out that they do carry quite a comprehensive list of safes, but that if they don't carry one (like Liberty), it won't show in their search results.

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@bfusion: Well, I guess "protection" is a little over the top. Most of what I have are collector items, and family heirlooms. I probably have more than I need for "protection" but obviously I don't carry them all at once! Thanks for the comment.

On the topic of dehumidification, I suggest you go to the boating section of your walmart, and pick up a boat dehydrator. They run about $8, and it is a descant and a water collector at the same time. I forget who makes it, but if walmart doesn't carry them, try west marine:

http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/producte/10001/-1/10001/35155?&cid=chanintel&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=35155

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@dcman4usn: I don't think a boat dehydrator had crossed his mind. That seems certainly more powerful than a golden rod (which is pretty much the same thing in my piano). Thanks for the suggestion.
BTW, you don't post on any of the hunting or reloading forums do you?

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I have a large bolt down heavy gun safe. Has to weigh 200+ lbs. Does it work? Well, it seems safe enough. I can put a couple of guitars in it, coin collection, firearms, etc and there's still a little room left. We bought it from a safe only selling place and they had pictures of safes following the fires here in San Diego. Guess what. They all melted, even the "fire proof" ones. The only ones to survive were the in the ground/foundation ones (floor safes).

What I would like to know (thread hijack coming) is if anyone has any real worl experience with in ground floor safes. Did you rent a jackhammer to make a hole in the foundation? Was it super messy pouring concrete around it? Is it really more secure after all that work?

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I would check out Sentrysafe.com They are huge in the home and commercial space and carry anything from small to large safes. Probably the biggest issue with online ordering for these is cost. Safes are heavy and expensive to ship.

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Thanks everyone for the wealth of information! Looks like I have alot of browsing to do.

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@shrdlu said: "I saw all their search features. I am saying that their search didn't show all the safes that there were out there, and that when I searched for Liberty, it returned me the comprehensive list of safes they sold, rather than any reference to Liberty (which was part of the incredibly long link I posted)."

I've been meaning to reply to this.... I should point out that when I said the site had been helpful to me, I meant that I used it as a research tool. By filtering through different options, filtering by ratings and reading reviews, I was able to educate myself about many of the features that are available (I didn't even know what features therw were when I started researching) and learn about the advantages/disadvantages of the ones that interested me.

Like I said, I wound up buying elsewhere. But the prices at that site do seem competitive - at least when they have free shipping.

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Hey @anotherhiggens, if you have a Liberty safe, it is NOT waterproof. Liberty does not make a waterproof safe and will NOT be covered by their warranty. So if you need a waterproof safe, you don't have one.
http://www.libertysafe.com/faqs.php
Another bad thing about these Liberty, Cannon and other safes are that they are made from 12 GA steel and are easy to pry open. The better ones they make will cost you $3000-$5000. One should buy these lower end safes as a time builder only. Meaning it takes a few minutes to pry these open and that is the time needed for the police to show up by a home security system. I know of a way to seriously extend the time it takes to pry these lower safes open, but I do not want that out on a public forum or I lose the edge, sorry.

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Ooops, that was for shrdlu that ownes a Centurion by Liberty safe. My bad.

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Oh, another tip if you need waterproofing. Since these larger safes are not waterproof, you can secure valuables AND extend your fire rating on some items by buying fireproof/waterproof lock-boxes and put them in your safe. But even your best bank vault safe is not secure, so buy a home security system. Keep secure!

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I know it's a bit old, BUT if you bolt your safe down it will help TONS in keeping people from prying it open. Laying the safe on the floor and using your body wieght is a common tactic for prying open safes. Remove that ability and it can almost double the time if not prevent a pry in break-in.