Do you remember when you had to actually talk to a person to get a job?
I am so tired of filling out applications online and taking personality tests before even being looked at for a job. It seems that being hired has become more and more impersonal.
Who you are is not always best represented on paper. I have never been denied a job or position I have actually interviewed for, and yet I can barely get a foot in the door with all this fill it out online stuff. It's damned frustrating. And I have had classes upon classes about how the psych profile tests work, and why, and I still find them to be a poor judge of character.
I can't be the only one fed up with these impersonal hiring procedures...
I know the old argument that with so many applicants it's a good way to weed out those that might not be the best fit, but I don't buy it (not in every case...). Are any of you business owners? What do you think?
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claudicina
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Sorry. Just a frustrated rant from someone in need of employment.
I feel your pain. I started looking and applying for jobs the sr. year of my bachelor’s degree. No luck so I thought I’d make myself more marketable by taking master’s classes while I was applying for things, partially just to hold of loan collection. Finished that master’s degree, no luck with jobs. Started another master’s and have it about half done, no luck. I stopped counting at 100 resumes out; one not so serious skype interview. Now I substitute teach and do minimum wage temp work.
I get frustrated how he HR systems kick an applicant out for the smallest things, one year short on education or experience or something like that. I could do just about anything if someone would let me convince them and give me a shot.
Hang in there.
@icet1986: For my profession of choice, I need a master's degree. I'm working on it now, and once I'm done, with my particular field, I can work for myself,but this interim crap is for the birds! Good luck on your quest as well!
I feel your pain, but it's been like this for a long time. I'm not old enough to have had a job pre-internet, but my parents mentioned having to go through similar hoops. Yes, they actually got to look at someone, but they still had to fill out application after application and take personality tests before they got an interview.
You probably were not declined after you received an interview because they were already intending on hiring you in the first place. The filling out applications/personality tests is the first part of the process.
As @hackman2007 says, it's always been like this. Always. In the fifties and sixties, for any position that paid more than the equivalent of minimum wage (which did not always exits, my friends), you often applied for many positions where you simply left your resume and card (or equivalent), and never heard back.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_minimum_wage
I have been enormously lucky in my life with respect to employment, and unlike many of my peers, I understand just how much of it has truly been luck. My skills and accomplishments are very good, but so were plenty of others who simply missed being available at the right time, lived in the wrong geographical area, or perhaps just had a flat tire on the way into a career fair.
I would not like to be looking for a job right now. I would have to move (there's almost zero call for my particular abilities where I am now). I also lack the ability to take direction. This is not a joke; I'm sincere.
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[Continued] I have deep sympathy for the frustration that @claudicina and others feel, when it seems as though there are no open doors, and no possibility of finding a key for them.
I do think that one thing that used to allow people that face time has either vanished, or is so overwhelmed with applicants that it might as well have. That's the job fair concept I referred to previously.
When so many people are out of work, it becomes very difficult for any one candidate to stand out in a place like that. It used to be a good way to look at marketability, even if you weren't really looking for a job at the time. Now, those places are so crowded that many recruiters fight over who has to man the stations, because it's so crowded and overwhelming.
There aren't easy answers to this. I may come back later, if I think of anything helpful.
Every job I've ever had Ive received because I spoke with the owner of a company and briefly explain to him how I can make him more money or improve some part of his operation in a way that will either make life easier for him or make him more money. That can be done via phone call, meeting on the street or in a letter. At least in my experience these have proven successful. I have a ready paper resume but honestly have never had to turn it in to anyone. My "resume" of choice was rather an invitation to hear how I can help them help themselves... That invitation has always led (at least in my case) to a job interview in person. And every interview I've had has turned into a job.
Every job I've ever applied for (since 1991) started with the written word. It wastes a lot of time to talk to candidate after candidate who doesn't meet the basic requirements. So they need to screen them using a resume and cover letter.
If you can't create a decent resume and cover letter, than have someone do it for you. If you don't have a buddy who will do it for free, then there are folks who will take your money and do it for you.
I'm not directly in charge of hiring and firing, I've been involved with interviewing candidates for many years. By the time I'm in an interview with a candidate, they've already passed the resume screen, the phone interview with HR, and possibly a first interview with my boss- meaning they look good on paper, and don't raise any immediate red flags, and myself and some others are called in to do a sanity check on their skill set and personality fit.
In short - this has been happening for a long time. Good luck with your search.
It all comes down to networking, networking, and more networking. No place I have applied for online has ever hired me or anyone I know. You need to talk with people in the field your interested and personally ask a lot of people for help getting interviews, go to trade shows and seminars in the industry your looking at getting into and make yourself known to people. Keep your chin up, stay positive and accept rejection with with a little grace and you'll do fine. Good luck, and good hunting!
@tsfisch: My resume is seriously awesome. I have a friend that is a career counselor at BSU, and she does resume's for a living. For my graduation present, she made me an updated resume, and a resume/CV. She told me what I had before was good, but the gift she gave me was amazing. I am not an egotistical person, but her resume, makes me look GOOD.
@ruger9mm: Agreed. I've had people call me and ask me how to get a job where I work. Usually they're woefully unqualified, but if I ever heard from a good one, ad we had an opening, I wouldn't hesitate to suggest them to be interviewed...
Filling out applications online can seem to be a waste of time. I am Senior Mechanical Engineering student with a Marketing minor and started filling out job applications last September. It wasn't until I went to a career fair (end of Oct) that I landed 3 interviews in person and 1 over the phone interview.
2 of the jobs I interviewed with were the same job, but at rival companies. I didn't get past the first interview with one, but the other I made it all the way to them flying me to their headquarters for interviews.
I ended up getting 2 job offers within the same week and got to pick from the two. I took the offer that was my dream job (Technical Sales also known as Engineering Sales).
What I learned from this was that all those applications I filled out online I might have been the right candidate but none of them got to hear me out and know who I really am unless they talked to me in person.
I think that career fairs are the best way to go to get your face in front of recruiters.
I can't stand those personality tests either, and while I'm sure they are a little useful, I really can't see how they do anything but punish people for being honest. At my first job in a grocery store, one of my coworkers showed me a pair of sunglasses she stole from the store. Now, when the question shows up(no less than six times, with slightly different phrasing each time) on every job application, she's going to either have to lie or be denied every job because she stole a $5 item when she was 17? And all the questions are like that: "Have you ever been angry at someone before?", "Do you ever have trouble talking to people you just met?", "Do you ever relax when there's no work to do?"
I was about 60 questions into one of those once during my most recent unemployment stint, and was so frustrated with how long it was taking that I looked up to see how many more questions there were. It turned out the test had 400 questions on it, so I left right then.
It's a lot easier to fill out and submit those job applications online than to have to research at libraries, career centers or the yellow pages and hand write applications, then apply a stamp and put in the mail.
Interesting to read specifics about the personality tests. It sounds like a modified MMPI, and those tests are best noted for their ability to point out inconsistent answers. I'm surprised to see them used in such an environment, however. The world has just gone crazy, and sometimes I believe there's no hope for it.
Of course, then I have some coffee, and my mood improves a bit.
Seriously, though, does anyone have a link to an online version of these tests, or a specific name and publisher? I'd be interested, in an academic sense, to see them.
Here's some links that I've found, so far.
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