questionsdo you like win8?

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I personally am going through the same process. My desktop is dying, and I utterly loathe windows 8. My husband had it imposed on him on his work laptop, and it is vile. I actually prefer the much despised Vista. This seems to be one of those times when you wish they would just make a good tablet OS and a good pc OS, and have them sync well. I will install some flavor of Linux, before I will even consider this. You might try dual booting a few to try out, I rather enjoy them, most are sleek and a pleasure to use, after a short learning curve. Which is the opposite of win8, which seems like they reinvented the wheel, and decided to go with a square one, because they could. One caveat with Linux, it has been a while, but I do seem to remember having to find some programs that didn't come with the initial install.

Well I am out of derogatory terms, to describe how much I dislike it, and that alone should tell you plenty.

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I have had a Windows 8 laptop (which I am on right now) since January. The tiles are just horrible. It is going for the feel of a phone but I personally do not want the feel of a phone, I want the feel of a computer. Once I switch from tiles to desktop things are better but still do not like where the control panel and other basics are. I am planning on upgrading to Windows 8.1 soon and hope it will make things much easier to deal with.

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@pickypickypicky: I've heard that for business, you can downgrade Win 8 Pro back to Win 7. Unfortunately for consumers, no downgrade :(

@conanthelibrarian: I completely agree. I can see where Win 8 would be really good for tablets because of the tiles and use for touch but for a PC? Microsoft needs to separate the two. I couldn't find anything on Windows 8 (such as a simple thing as Control Panel). Do you know if Windows 8.1 is supposed to quite different from Windows 8 (or more similar to Windows 7)?

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@flamemonkey: I'm not sure what version he has, but I will look into it. He doesn't have the final say, as it is company owned, and it may be required for some of the advanced applications he needs it for. But that is veddy, veddy interesting, hopefully he can do something, at this point it's an incredible time waster.

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Hate, hate, hate Windows 8. And 8.1 is no better.

It's too difficult to find anything, I actually had to do a search for how to turn off my computer the first day I had it. Who thought it would be a good idea to take 3 steps to power off?

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@ohcheri @pickypickypicky @conanthelibrarian
i went through the same idea. dreading going to windows 8. with classic shell and adding my quick launch through a simple walk through, its just a little different than windows 7. very easy and clean.
http://www.classicshell.net/

*edit @flamemonkey

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I have several home computers: XP, Vista, 7 and 8. I also have a Windows phone (Nokia 520, and love it).

I use the 8 less than any of them, and when I do use it go to the desktop, which is easy to do. But I love Windows 7. The tile interface makes no sense on a laptop or desktop, so you don't have to use it.

If you want a Win 7 machine, Blair Technology Group offers great prices on them, they are an authorized MS refurbisher. They've also had sales on Woot.

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Not a fan, either. DS has it on his laptop and it drives me nuts when I try to help him with things. GUIer than earlier versions, so I assumed that it appealed to some folks, but navigating is a nightmare. Urgh!

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@ohcheri: The same company that thought it was a good idea to click the "Start" button to shut off your computer. :-)

Truth be told, after using it a bit and finding my way around, I don't mind Windows 8. In 34 years in the computer biz, I've had to adapt to much bigger changes. So now it's just "Ho Hum" to me.

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@ohcheri: So how do you turn off your PC with Windows 8?

Going to Best Buy today to play around with Windows 8 some more. Will probably be a complete waste of time

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I'm not computer illiterate but 8.1 is much better as it has many tutorial features built in that 8.0 never had. I shouldn't have to google how to do something so basic in my OS.

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Other than the tutorials, Windows 8.1 is still pretty much Windows 8 right?

Anybody know when the next Windows OS is coming out? Hoping for something not Win 8

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I, like turbinator42, have worked with windows since it's inception, taught solid modeling software to engrg groups for 6 yrs., managed an Autodesk help desk and most recently participated in software development for first responder app for army and FBI use. I've had to relish change, but I understand the frustrations of the avg. user. Microsoft's goal of creating one OS suitable for all devices was not well thought out with regard to learning curve and the avg. users reticence to change. I have enjoyed the Win 8 and 8.1 discovery process and performance enhancements. But certainly empathize with anyone that doesn't have the desire or time to devote to embrace change. Anyone who's occupation requires staying current with OS and application changes either embrace change or look for another line of work.

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@flamemonkey: You have to move your cursor to the corner of your screen until you see the Settings. Click Settings, then click Power, then click Shut Down.

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@ohcheri: Thanks! I was using ctrl+alt+delete before. This is better but still somewhat a inconvenience. Windows 7 was so simple. I hate these stupid pop up things whenever I go to the corners or sides.

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I know we're already having to virtualize XP on a couple of Win 7 machines at work, and some software we run isn't 8 compatible. We've discussed this to DEATH, and at work, just like at home, Windows 7 is the last we'll use. We've(home AND work) been able to run darn near everything in Linux- native & under Wine, and that which won't will be replaced.
There's too much good software with a little learning curve to be held captive by one company any longer.

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I have ASC pro and it converted it work like WIN 7.

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I upgraded to Windows 8.1 about an hour ago and I got to say that it is an improvement. There is a button that I guess can be called a start button and if you right-click it you can access many of the things like the control panel which is nice. The one thing I have noticed right away is that you are permanently logged into Skype. A quick deletion of this app will fix that.

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@ohcheri: I had the same problem with needing to research own to power Win8 down. I absolutely hate it and 8.1 has done nothing to change that

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@flamemonkey @ohcheri also alt + F4 will bring up an old school shutdown window

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@justagigilo85: Nice! But yeah, we shouldn't need to put in extra effort to do a simple task such as shut down

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@flamemonkey: Dude, I totally agree. The only saving grace for Win8 I've found is its speed. It's ridonkulous how fast it is on an SSD.

I bought my older brother, who's pretty computer illiterate, a windows 8 laptop and he love it. I haven't really had to explain much to him... so there's that...

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I wrote you a full responses and woot 404'd it. So I will go with the more succinct: HATE IT!

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I have only used Windows 8.1 on my Surface RT but I love it there. Granted that is a touchscreen device but I use it quite a bit with the track pad on the touch cover and still don't have problems with the change. Itis quite a bit different and takes a little getting used to and figuring out but there hasn't been anything that I wanted to do that I couldn't because of Windows 8.

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@flamemonkey: please see my previous post about classic shell. i think it would really help you out

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@justagigilo85: Yeah the boot up time is fast too. If only they could have that and kept the Windows look. They've practically had the same look for over a decade and it worked, why change something that's already good? Like someone said, "why go and reinvent the wheel?"

@drsilentg: Sorry about not responding. I have looked at it and it seems like a good workaround to Windows 8. It might be just me but I don't want a workaround, I want a permanent solution. Hoping next Windows update or Windows 9 will fix this but in the meantime thank you. I will give this a try.

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I'll post the unpopular vote here.. I REALLY like win8 - with a few caveats. I wouldn't roll this out to my clients in a professional environment... and with typical non touchscreen desktop hardware, it seems hokey...

but where it really shines is a touch screen. On my laptop, which i dual boot between win7 and win8.1 (for some software compatibility) - windows 7 by comparison feels sluggish and makes me cringe using the mouse again (on my portable platform)

So - on a desktop environment - where the mouse and keyboard still rule - I boot it straight to desktop mode (there are several freeware applications like the aforementioned classic shell which can make everything a lot more "windows 7" like - although 8.1 really bridges the gap) but on my mobile platforms with touch screen - i can't see any reason to go back.

I think the biggest issue people are having is that it's too different. Once you get past that though, i really do think it's a better OS, and holy cow is it fast.

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I haven't seen anyone posting this, but for those that hate Windows 8 (like me), go here: http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/download.asp and buy start8, it is the best $5 you can spend. It makes Windows 8 usable.

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@jds4life: Seems like a higher end version of classic shell. Do you know if there is additional features that classic shell does not offer? It looks nice and clean

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I just discovered how badly W7 screwed up the search function. One of my coworkers routinely works all day on a document and then either saves it in some random place or shuts down without saving and Word sticks it someplace for her. She never can remember her file names (she names them really vague names using a lot of acronyms). For years I have helped her find her files on XP using the advanced search function, with searching by date created or date modified being the best tools. But now this is gone and you have to be able to type in syntax queries in order to search. This is a person who can't properly save a file and she is supposed to figure out how to write a syntax query? Previously my only problem with W7 was the elimination of "move to" and "copy to". Bad Microsoft! Go to bed without supper! Sorry, this is sort of beside the topic rather than right on it.

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I loath Windows 8. We have a laptop with it, and I didn't like it from day one. It is my girlfriend's laptop, so since she is the primary user I thought after some time she might grow to like it but that hasn't been the case. I installed the 8.1 upgrade which brought it from a horrible experience to merely bad experience.

Meanwhile, my Windows 7 machine is a far better user experience, so if I was in the market I could not in good faith purchase a Windows laptop knowing I would get stuck with Win8. I'm not alone either - the PC manufacturers aren't pleased with Microsoft and have admitted Win8 is driving people away from PCs and onto alternatives such as Chromebooks or Macbooks.

Honestly I'd suggest test driving a Chromebook, or if you have a fat wallet try a Macbook. Either of those offers a better user experience, so I don't see any reason to stick with Win8.

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Windows 7 is good, 8 is horrible. Can you not buy Win7 through microsoft? When i got a new computer i got my grad school sister to get me a student copy of win7 for $15. I specifically told her not to get 8, and if they insisted, to tell them to give her 7 or nothing. 8 is garbage.

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You can still purchase windows 7 from amazon, and you can get it installed on select Dell machines, including their "warehouse" deals....

Personally, me no like windows 8......what were they thinking?

Up with Hope, Down with Dope (win 8)

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I just usually install Debian over anything that is on a new PC.

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Wow! So much hate for an operating system which takes about 30 minutes to learn the changes.

How do you turn off the computer? You have to be kidding me. There is a button on the front of your computer (I'm pretty sure it is called the power button.) Press it really fast. Your computer will shut down.
You want to shut it all the way down? Open the Charm bar (that bar on the right side of the screen), click settings, then power. Even simpler is to hit alt-F4. Then there is the ctrl-alt-del method. But hitting the power button is the easiest as it suspends Windows and allows for the computer to be ready in a few seconds when you are needing to use it.

For those whining about Metro, learn to use gestures. If you are using a Desktop, get a Logitech Trackpad, they work wonderfully with Windows 8.

Take the tutorial that comes with Windows 8. It is quick and you will learn a lot.

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This is a trick question, right? Win8 (AND 8.1) is worse than Windows ME or Vista. There is nothing good I can say about it. Nothing at all. My step-daughter has it and if Microsoft doesn't do more to fix it that 8.1 did (a LOT more) my next PC will not be a Windows machine. I am a software developer and this Win8 cr@p just doesn't even begin to cut it!

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@bigelowb: I'm a data analyst so I totally understand what your saying. It's definitely not usable in a business environment. I'm getting more used to Windows 8 but still hate it.

@unoriginal26: Don't really like Dells (even though I use one for work). And can't downgrade Win8 to Win7 unless the PC was preloaded with Win8 Pro. Sucks.

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If the main problem people are having is just finding familiar OS items, be aware that God Mode still works on Win 8 (and probably 8.1, though I have not yet tried it). See here:

http://howto.cnet.com/8301-11310_39-10423985-285/understanding-windows-7s-godmode

Follow the instructions and you get a shortcut to all the available Windows tools and settings.

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No, I don't like W8. I was very very tempted to buy today's woot! deal but the OS broke it for me(I guess it's better than breaking it later). I agree with the savvy comments that windows needs to separate their desktop and mobile OS and stop trying to merge the two poorly.

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Its like every other OS imo.... it does what its supposed to do...