questionsprimer, then paint, or paint-and-primer 2-in-1?

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Paint with primer is like shampoo with conditioner. Sure, there's some of it in there, but it's not as good as if you were to do it separately.

Remove the wallpaper (Dif), patch as necessary, primer, then paint. For the paints at Orange and Blue, I much prefer Valspar over Behr.

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my experience says go seperate. getting the colors to stay true means you need a coat or two of something behind the color of choice.

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Pay someone to do it. Make them prime then paint. :)

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Behr Ultra interior is terrible paint when it comes to one coat coverage. For me, it has never covered in one coat and this is especially true if you are going to have lots of patches (and you will removing all of that wallpaper.) A quality stain blocking primer is the way to go. The best tip I can give you is to lightly sand the entire wall after applying the primer to get a uniform finish. This step will make a huge difference.

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I just did this actually! Here is my input – First, it depends what color you are using. I recently found out that colors like blues and reds, etc. do not cover as well because of their make-up. In-organic colors such as tans, beiges, etc. cover just fine.
2 weeks ago, we painted my sons room a superman blue. I primed separately and then painted. Being that blue is a very thin laying color (no matter how dark it is) we actually tinted the primer to a medium blue color. This was a recommendation from a very skilled man in the field. I am glad we did! I think that if we did not do just that, it would have easily taken 3 coats of that blue – and that was on already done baby blue walls.
Last week we painted our office in the color Thyme Green (Olympic “One” paint and primer combo from Lowes). This is a darker green/grey color. It went on wonderfully and only required one coat.

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Love home improvment questions! This is some good info too, plus one for everrryyybodddyyy. Except for okham, since you violated the spirit of DIY. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.

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I can 100% verify what @jimmyd103 just said.

The Mrs. and I just painted our little girl's room pink with that exact paint. The coverage printed on the can came nowhere close. We even had to go back and get another quart to barely finish the job.

As much as I hate painting the same surface twice, next time I will prime then paint.

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For covering the wall after removing wall paper, I would absolutely go with primer then color.

If you have a good base already and just want to change color, primer+color is a good way to go.

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Having gone through a painting debacle, I say primer first, then paint. Don't believe the 2 in 1 hype. Just primer it. It's sooo much trouble if you don't. Took me four cans of paint to figure it out.

I also learned that if you are using a color that is based on a neutral base, you really should primer first. Seems a neutral base is really clear base and the only thing that gives it color/can hide your underlayer, is the tint put in it. In my case, I had just yellow tint in the paint and so it really didn't matter how many layers you put on, the yellow tint was the only thing hiding the wood grain and putty underneath (and it did a horrible job at that). Use a color with a pastel or white base (which has titanium dioxide (the white pigment)) and that stuff is very opaque (at least more so than the neutral) and will hide whatever is underneath.

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If you value your sanity make sure the wall paper is removed the correct way first. I just had to paint two rooms which had wallpaper removed and since it was done wrong (little sister ripping off what she could) it would have been quicker to install new drywall.

I went the prime first then paint route too and it worked fine; however I cannot speak for the prime and paint option.

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@friman44: I can't agree with you more! Any glue residue left on the wall will have a different texture/ look when painted. And if you are not careful, its super easy to remove the paper layer of drywall with the wall paper.
I've removed painted-over wallpaper in 6 rooms of my house, I consider myself an expert by now....

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stay away from the paint and primer all-in-one crap. I was a painter for about 10 years and worked in a paint store for 3 years, and I keep in touch with the guys at the paint store... the new 2-in-1 paints are a joke, they're just the latest generation of multiple attempts to create a real 2-in-1 product that has been tried unsuccessfully for decades.

The nice thing about a good primer/sealer is that it also SEALS in any glue residue from the wallpaper, avoiding the inevitable patches of different texture on the final painted wall.

If you are going for anything other than white/off-white on your final wall color, you can have the people at the store tint your primer so that the final coat of paint covers better. At the paint store I worked at it was typical for us to tint the primer with half of the tint formula of the final color.

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@jimmyd103: thanks for the link. i do so much repair work, it's nice to have a good site to check in on.

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@jimmyd103: Thanks, looks like a great site. I'm currently trapped in one bedroom apartment in the city as opposed to a the house (plus workshop) in the country that I want. Right now, I'm stuck with refinishing furniture or painting walls, can't do much more than that. Although I'm heading over to my buddy's place soon to create something like these pipe shelves.

http://www.sweetpeachblog.com/journal/2012/4/2/industrial-storage.html

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I'll parrot the separate cans. I bought a house a year ago with a TON of wall paper. Spent the first two months removing wall paper! Yikes.

I used a paddle steamer to remove the big pieces of wall paper then I went through and cleaned the walls with Dif. Then washed them one more time.

Patch any areas then prime it, then paint. It took me much longer than expected but the results can't be argued with. Well worth the effort!

I did miss a spot in one room where I didn't clean the wall paper glue off and you can really tell. After I painted over it, it sort of 'cracked' and I had to paint over it a few times before it didn't do it. Much like painting a non-paintable calk.

Just do it right, it's your house!

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I never have tasted the paint/primer-combo kool-aid because I think it's juat a way to pad profits with no real benefits for the user. I recommend a primer like Kilz 2 then a top coat (or 2 if necessary) to all of my customers.

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@jsimsace: +1 on the Kilz recommendation. That stuff is amazing