questionswhat do you think about google's sopa protest…


Nice to see a heavyweight enter the fight and I hope that more will follow.


This is great. Let's let them know how we feel!


Thanks op, gotta love what they've done with the area above their search bar.
I agree with @aksman44, I too hope more join, heavy weight or light, every little bit adds up.


I edited the HELL out of this question heh.. probably over edited it.
Just trying to make it read-worthy (for people that haven't heard about it yet)...this is one of those things that can't really be talked about too much.

Also, if you haven't heard much about this, there are other companies getting into the fight (Wikipedia, Reddit, etc)

More info/discussion on the "original" SOPA/PIPA questions:


AWESOME! In a way I was hoping Google would completely shut down it search engine for the day. Glad to see Wikipedia in on it.


Pretty weak, Google. Pretty weak.

I guess it's better than nothing.


@drchops: Also for those who may not have the time to read the other posts, here's a quick link to EFF:
They also have info on your local senators and congress reps, for sending email/snailmail and phone #'s


I really would have liked to have seen google turn off the gmail servers. That would have gotten the attention of A LOT of people.


@bkarlan: Also, would have a lot of schools and businesses pissed off, because they use gmail for their email! AKA no thanks.


I had hoped that google would have shut down completely... but I guess the logo is at least something...

they could have kept GMAIL/Adsense up but taken down the search engine function only... with the logo...


Signed and copied to Facebook and Twitter.


a google blackout would have been more effective than wiki/cl combined. It's amazing how few people even know that this is in the works


i'd like to see facebook, twitter, cnn, fox etc etc. to black out like wikipedia.


This is turning into a thread that seems to clearly distinguish those that actually use internet resources for actual work vs. those that are purely play. I'll bet you can figure out which I'm lumping into which groups.

Yes, SOPA/PIPA are bad, but try to be mature about your response.

As it is, I already have some indirect business impact to deal with tomorrow due to the wikipedia outage. That's not going to be fun. Also, as other sources have pointed out, it does rather tarnish Wikipedia's image of neutrality due to them taking such vigorous action in this direction.


I support any and all action which might sway our government away from such a totally bad law. It's already passed too many. GO GOOGLE!


@psaux: Inconvenience is, I think, a better thing to tolerate for a day if it can prevent much greater inconvenience for a lifetime.


@psaux: Wikipedia's blackout is in their best interest as well as all of ours. If SOPA/PIPA passes, Wikipedia won't be able to survive under the new laws.

So blacking out for 1 day versus saying goodbye to Wikipedia forever.. It's a small price to pay if it succeeds in swaying Washington D.C.


@bkarlan: There's a point that's just not realistic ...or a good idea, for that matter.

Let's say Google blacks out - completely - for a day. No e-mail, no searching, no services, no YouTube, nothing. That would bring a LOT more attention, yeah...but it would also piss 90% of the population the hell off and cost Google...Alotillion. It would also interfere with peoples lives & livelihood's.

We're trying to bring positive attention to the message, not piss everyone off so they disagree with us out of spite :)

(ed: if that came across condescending or anything like that, that's not what I was going for. I'm just saying I agree it would bring more attention, but the negative would outweigh the positive.)


@devexityspace: My opening crack was regarding people advocating for a google search/gmail shutdown. For the latter part, explicitly about Wikipedia, I do think they went to far, but largely for the reason I cited. Many people will no-longer view them as neutral after this, and that will erode their reputation. It might not be much, or it might be significant, time will tell. They certainly have their own style of PR.


@psaux: Okay, I've solved your problem. Screen caps.
CTRL+PRT SC the wikipedia page you need, before it goes to the "black page."

...there're other ways to do it, but that's the easiest heh


it's a brown out. it would take greater coordination with more companies on board to be a blackout. "live search" and other search engines work, and anything you need off wikipedia can be found in the cached results. always a workaround, and that is what will happen to piracy. it may move off-line or whatever but you can't kill it. sopa will be as ineffective as the protests. as long as amazon and ioffer are around, we will have piracy.


@drchops: Actually I have a client whose systems use a wikipedia-reading bot (set up legitimately per their rules) to cross-check certain data at times. I'm just going to have to make sure that doesn't get used tomorrow. Again though, to clarify, my primary bitching was regarding those advocating a broader service outage from core providers like google. A gmail/google-search outage would be pretty crippling.


@psaux: what business do you have that wiki blackout will impact?

for a day, you can use this then,

can i get a consultancy check now?


Reddit Founder Alexis Ohanian on CNBC: "Why is it that when Republicans and Democrats need to solve the budget and the deficit, there's deadlock, but when Hollywood lobbyists pay them $94 million dollars to write legislation, people from both sides of the aisle line up to co-sponsor it?"


Loving it! Google is such a great company, I'm glad they are joining the protest!


As someone else has mentioned earlier: Censoring the internet is a great idea! Look how well China's dealing with it!


@kerowyn: Haha! They are slowing succumbing to free internet, yay!! We still don't have USA google, facebook, or twitter over here, but they allow for wikipedia now, which is huge progress, considering all of the free information there!


@psaux: Do you personally consider neutrality to be a virtue and action to be a vice, or do you just mean in general?

Also, I don't understand how "It would be crippling" is your argument, when that is also the opposing side's argument. I don't think you understand the issue as well as you think.


I wish Google would have blacked out the entire front page and made you click something to access their services. I think that would've been a better balance and drawn more attention.


I was so surprised to see it this morning. Two big thumbs up!


I think a lot of people won't notice it. I, for one, wouldn't have known about it because I just use the google search bar in firefox.

I'm seeing news coverage about it online, so hopefully more people will contact their representatives to vote against SOPA.


@psaux I agree with most of your points, especially seeing the casual internet users wanting a full google shutdown. That would be very very bad for all sorts of business, especially since Google promises 100% uptime on many of their business services.

Google is used for far more than just search, some companies would go under if google turned off its services for more than an hour. Its the backbone of many companies now. Millions would be lost in revenue. That is something nobody wants, and something nobody can afford. Google changing its logo isn't weak, its practical.

As far as wikipedia goes, I don't think wikipedia can really afford to be neutral, as this drastically imposes on how wikipedia conducts business. Perhaps they could have allowed you around the blackout after a few minutes or so.. or something. so SOMEWHAT too far, but I don't think this affects how people view their neutrality.


@stark I have to disagree with you entirely. I don't think you understand just how big shutting down googles services would be. @psaux is completely right in that it would be crippling.

As the director of technology for my organization, if google shut down services, we would not be able to "see our calendars, access our email, open any of our documents, communicate with our clients" essentially we would be forcibly shutdown for a day.

MY organization being that it is in the education industry can handle this, however, many other organizations could not. Google shutting down its services, has a global impact. I don't think we can begin to calculate the net damage it would cause. Honestly, what google has done is more than expected.

after reading @psaux's argument about his clients program that cross references wikipedia articles, I am seeing that wikipedia is even more critical than I had realized, therefore I recant some of my previous statement. Wikipedia has gone too far.


According to a link found on Craigslist (SOPA Opera) an awful lot of members of Congress are in favor of SOPA. Whatever Wikipedia, Google, and anybody else can do to change this is all to the good in my book. But I do agree that Google should not shut down--that would harm too many people. It won't hurt if we all let our congresspeople and senators know what we think.


@feliphilia: The purpose of "Wikipedia, Google, and anybody else" is to get the civilian population informed and behind with support!


I personally would have loved to see Facebook/G+/Twitter change all of the images, every single one, to something

Shutting down the major service sites is unfeasible. Google as a an entity does much more than act as a search engine. It's search engines help adsense, which links to customers, customers who also use G services to do business. What you are asking for in shutting down Google is for a nationwide economic protest, without the permission of all of the people who would have to be involved.

I do think it would be funny if you top page search results were all SOPA/PIPA protest pages, no matter what you searched for. Or if they had every 3rd work blocked out. But again, that would negatively affect too many people to work.


The purpose of a strike or a boycott or a shutdown is to show people how important the service or patronage is to them. If shutting down Wikipedia or Google had no serious impact on people then it wouldn't have a meaningful impact on fighting SOPA. The whole point is to show that these services which could be shut down forever are so critical we can't easily function without them for even one day.


I think that it is great that these companies and organizations are informing the public of impending legislation that will impact everyone.


If you can't figure out on your own within two minutes how to get to the content on Wikipedia, then SOPA will have a major impact on you.

The pirating folks won't be slowed down in accessing Wikipedia today, nor will they be slowed down in pirating content if SOPA/PIPA were to pass.

These laws would have a HUGE impact if passed, but only as an obstacle for average users and small business owners. Several non-pirating businesses would have to close their doors if this legislation were to pass. (link not working, copy and paste instead)
EFF's one-page SOPA summary
Slightly more in depth, but still easily-digestible summary on Reddit
Google's End Piracy, No Liberty page (with petition)


@darkscrypt: You did not disagree with me. Amazingly enough, you're still wrong. Funny thing, reading comprehension is.


The whole point of the blackout is to raise awareness and get people moving. Now, let's say Google did shut down search, and someone went to an unrelated blacked-out site and wanted more info on SOPA/PIPA. Where do you think they would go? For the majority of them, the answer is GOOGLE. If Google is unavailable, they either go to a different search engine or decide it's too much trouble and move on to something else. A large portion of your average internet users are going to fall into that second category.

We need access to the information to make informed decisions, and I think Google is well aware of that. I think their strategy was a good one.