questionschallenge: quality ink jet printer with…

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Have you considered getting a laser for your black printing, and just using the inkjet when you need color? Laser printers have gotten pretty inexpensive, and the toner is cheaper per page.

Other than that, though, I have no suggestions, and I have the same question as you, so I'll watch this thread with interest.

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I am thinking that I saw an ad for Xerox printers in the not too distant past that talked about their ink being 65% cheaper? Or maybe a Kodak printer. I will have to go see if I can find that ad. It was in one of the business magazines.

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Unless you are printing photos, you may want to look into a color laser printer. If you watch for sales, you can pick up a decent Samsung for around $160.00. The output is faster, better quality, and much cheaper per page than inkjet. And you don't have to worry about toner drying out like you do with ink!

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Lack of response indicates that perhaps there isn't such an animal in the ink jet world.

Switch to a laser printer for my b&w needs? My desk is overflowing with peripherals. Adding a laser printer to the mix may just cause it to topple!

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@debbiedunlap: I've seen a print ad several times for this brand. You might check these out and tell us if any of them meet your needs. I don't know anyone who is using this brand so can't verify the claims re ink.

http://store.kodak.com/store/ekconsus/en_US/ContentTheme/pbPage.groundbreaking_technology

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I haven't responded to this because I hear this very same query all the time. All. The. Time.

The sad truth is that ink jet printers are sold at a loss. The money is made on ink cartridges. Many laser printers are sold at a very narrow margin, and toner is still VERY profitable. I used to have a very fancy color laser printer (Xerox Phaser, with a nice Sun Microsystems Logo) which had an original price tag of about 5k or 6k (I no longer remember). Cartridges were very expensive. I see two of them right now on eBay, going for $350 for the pair. I laughed an evil laugh when I saw them, because I cannot imagine that you can still get ink.

You are not going to have this wish fulfilled, unfortunately. I wish I could tell you otherwise, but I cannot. Buy the best printer for your purposes.

[Edit] Just for the record, that phaser printer was in a computer lab, and I bought it in the middle nineties. My current is a HP Officejet Pro L7660 and I like it fine.

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Dammit. Missed the five minute window by that much.

Printer is L7650 All-in-One (not L7660, as I fumble fingered in my previous comment). It's probably two or three years old. I like HP printers, and this is my third all-in-one (the others didn't quit working, I just replaced them after five years on general principles, and gave the old ones to friends).

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@sand4me: I have a little Kodak EasyShare photo printer that I love. (Just another one of those gadgets on my overcrowded desk.) While I have an initially positive disposition towards Kodak, a quick look at reviews of Kodak printers finds only slightly higher than average marks for quality. Truthfully, since I don't use my printer to print photos, that's probably sufficient for my needs.

Looks like you can buy both ink cartridges (black & multi-color) for under $25 total. LOTS less expensive than my thirsty Epson's SIX cartridges.

@shrdu: Every one of the Kodak printers is all-in-one. Is that the new standard for most printers now? While optimum print quality isn't absolutely necessary for me, high quality scanning is essential. It's been my experience that no one machine does everything well.

Has anyone else any experience with a Kodak printer and its different functions?

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@shrdu: Your HP cartridges don't appear to be too expensive.

However, my own experience with HP is less than stellar, and I'm pretty sure my husband would only allow an HP product through the front door "over his dead body." (He hasn't yet noticed my HP mouse. Shhhhh.)

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@debbiedunlap: Please note (before I run off for a while) that there are actually two different meanings to all-in-one. My printer faxes, scans, copies, and prints. I seldom actually use any of those. HP makes some crappy cheaper printers, but their mid-range inkjets are fine. I do not like Kodak consumer printers. At all. I really dislike Lexmark. I've pulled in inexpensive printers of all shapes and sizes for various needs, back when I lived in a world where I had a budget, and needed to make sure that other people could get their work done.

I like HP printers. I really like HP laser printers. I loathe HP computers, from the Unix workstations (HP/UX is an obscenity) all the way down to desktops and laptops. On the other hand, I'm sitting next to two of them (desktops), so take that with a grain of salt.

Anyway, back to the point. All-in-one doesn't always mean fax. Sometimes it means print/scan/copy, and sometimes it means print/scan/copy/fax. You get what you pay for.

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@shrdlu: Our bad HP experiences were all with their computers, too.

As always, thanks for your input. :)

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Arrived late to another thread - the most recent gripe about flickering. @shrdlu, since you might not return to that thread, here's what I posted there:

@shrdlu: I would highly appreciate a new thread being started about lunar planting. Got all my veggie beds cleared, bone & blood mealed, and fertilized last weekend. Will soon be time to start planting my veggies. Since I met with mediocre success last year, any tips, tricks or strategies are welcome. I'm a believer in the effects of moon, just never thought of it in terms of planting.

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@debbiedunlap: HP computers are sad, pitiful devices apparently designed to live a short life and die a dramatic death.

HP printers are a different world. After all, it was their main business for a while. I have an HP inkjet I got free with a computer, that has turned out thousands of good prints. Not gorgeous, but good enough for my needs.

There's an interesting report here (keep in mind Kodak paid for it): http://www.qualitylogic.com/tuneup/uploads/docfiles/QualityLogic-Cost-of-Ink-Per-Page-Analysis-US_Dec-31-2009.pdf

I haven't read the whole thing, but it does speak a bit to your question. I wouldn't be surprised if the survey skipped over some less expensive inks, though.

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Take a look at a site like inksell.com for refill kits. Not all printer cartridges can be refilled easily, but I've used their kits to refill those you can for a fraction of the cost of new. Then look for a printer based on being able to refill the cartridges.

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Has anyone had any success with the continuous ink kits like those on ebay?

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Lexmark Platinum Pro 905. It's a pricey, premium printer (around $300), but they're advertising $4.99 black ink carts. Not sure about the other inks and what the yield is on those, but on the face of it all it looks to be a good deal.

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Anyone that has a Costco near them can go there and refill for like $8-$10. They have a fancy $55k machine that refills your cartridge at the 1 hour photo lab.

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To all those who are suggesting refills, unless you print continuously or have ink cartidges where the print head is attached, refills will kill your multi cartridge systems, the ones that have a cartridge for every color. Those systems have an internal storage container for the inks which with the refill inks starts to have dry ink coat the container. The refill inks are missing something that prevents that from happening too quickly that the manufacturer inks have. The dried ink blocks the ink from going to the print nozzles. The nozzle cleaning routine is not designed to clean these tanks.

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I learned a saying for IT, "Price, quality, time; pick two".
For printers exchange time with space and you will have my answer.
I have 3 printers. A HP B&W commercial grade laser, a Samsung Color laser and an Epson 'All in one'. They all are 'network' printers because I own a usb network 'server' that attaches my Samsung to the network, even though it is a usb only device.
Most printers today have both wired and wireless network built in. This means they can be placed anywhere there is space and power.
I recommend a high quality 'all in one' for your scanning and high quiality printing needs, then a color laser for your everyday and B&w printing.
I have the Artisian 710, which also allows scanning via network. So every computer in my household can connect and scan via the wireless network connection. However it does not have a sheet feeder so you can only scan 1 page at a time. (we don't scan much)
Over time I have saved hundred of $'s on ink, yet I can do any quality of work I need.

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Xerox has those nifty Phaser laser printers that use solid toner blocks, in different shapes for each color. The only caveat is the toner blocks are expensive for the page yield, 2,000 pages for $90 direct from Xerox and you can burn money for some of their upgrades like duplexing, which on my Hp inkjet is really nice.
http://www.office.xerox.com/printers/color-printers/enus.html
http://www.office.xerox.com/printers/color-printers/phaser-6140/supl-enus.html

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HP OfficeJet 6000, 6500, 8000, and 8500 printers. MicroCenter sells them $60 and upwards to $500, depending on what features/functions you need/want. HP OJ 6000 and 8000 are plain-jane printers where the 6500 and 8500 are all-in-one units. The 6000 and 6500 use the #920 black $22/420pgs and #920XL black $35/1200pgs. The 8000 and 8500 use the #940 black $27/1000pgs and #940XL black $39/2200pgs (compare to laser cartridge with similar page yield and usually higher price). (all prices at 9pm EST 4/4/10)

I own the 6500 and it has been my best printer yet.

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I bought a Lexmark and hated the ink price so I take my old cartridges to CVS and get them refilled for about $10 for the all color cart.About half the cost of a new one and seems to last just as long.Software with printer says not LEXmark ink and refuses to give a measurement on how much is left, but I can live with that.I just didn't want to try refilling them myself.

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Thanks for all your input. I'm thinking that I may just go with a laser. I used one years ago for camera-ready print ads. Will be going through all your suggestions and researching more. Thanks so much!!

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I print photos with my HP inkjet printer and it works better than any lexmark I've ever had. Lexmark is a no. Cannon prints very nice photos as well! Though you have to be careful with a Cannon. I've gone through three that printed very well but broke and fell apart very easily.

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Go laser... you can get a tiny Brother HL2140 for < $100. I've printed 15,000+ pages w/ one so far (wife recently went back to school for her MHA) and all I've ever had to do was slide in new toner and one drum. It takes 2 min to change, and that's including opening the box the toner comes in.

The best part: my cost per page went from ~0.20 / page with the inkjet to less than 0.02 / page with the laser and the "Wife Acceptance Factor" skyrocketd! Cheaper, faster and better... Hard to argue with. When I want to print photos, I go to Walgreens or dust off one of the inkjets and a new ink cartridge or 4. Ugh.

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Canon Pixma Model xxx. You can always find one on sale at OfficeDepot, OfficeMax, Staples, BestBuy, Walmart for around $50. The store brand cartridges combo packs with black, yellow, cyan, and pink are typically around $35.... I bought one when I went to buy refills for my Xerox printer. The new Canon printer with cartridges was cheaper than the black ink cartridge alone. Stay away from HP!!!!