questionsgirl scouts lets in boys!? how does this make you…

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Well, I disagree with the girl in the video.

I think a bona fide male-to-female transgendered person who wants to join should be able to join.

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What is the maximum age for Girl Scouts? I've never known the cutoff age, but I'd say it's somewhere around the teens? It just seems that whatever their age is, unless they're considered "adult," it's a bit young to decide that you're a transgender. I don't see a problem in the acceptance of people who are transgender, but if the children in question are no older than 13 or 14, I think it's complicated. That's an age where kids really want to define who they are, so if they have feminine tendencies, they would probably try being transgender to see if that's who they really are. Some will probably decide that's how they identify themselves, and that's fine, while others will decide that they're not really transgender and will try something else. That's fine too, as far as I'm concerned.

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Now the idea of them participating, in my eyes, is sort of a gray area. Some of the boys/girls (I'm not sure what to call them) are likely to find their true selves as being transgenders, while some may not. Denying them the ability to join will obviously repress those of them who truly are transgender and may allow those who truly aren't to figure that out. In the opposite direction, if you allow them in and encourage them to be that way, you may wind up seeing young men/women who feel pressured to keep up being something they're not. Please forgive me if my point isn't coming across like it should; I believe they should be allowed in the Girl Scouts, but I think that in doing so, some of the young kids may feel pressured to keep up an identity that doesn't really fit them.

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@chris12345: but asking the questions to make that decision also trample lines on rights to privacy that really shouldn't be crossed. So...how can you be fair AND safe?

Maybe it would be better to assume that everyone is a threat, but be accepting. Higher supervision requirements, that is.

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That chick thinks it's disturbing that the Girl Scouts don't require "proof of gender"???

I'd find it much, much more disturbing if they asked little girls to prove that they're girls.

@bogie21 said, "Or stop buying cookies if they kick them out."

Kick who out? It's unclear what you object to.

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I think the girl in the video is spending too much time claiming this is about her safety. And I think she presents contradictory points. Doesn't she say that the materials from GSUSA say they don't discriminate based on gender? So GSUSA's refusal to discriminate against a transgender child is consistent with that, they aren't being misleading.

It sounds like a cover for a personal bias against transgender children. If it's really about safety, she must have zero faith in leaders' ability to make judgement calls about meeting topics, sleeping accomodations on overnight trips, etc. It really doesn't seem that complicated...

There was an article recently about male twins, one of whom is now transitioning to female as a teenager. She knew from quite early--like 4 or 5 years old--that she didn't feel right as a boy. Why exclude her from girl activities, if she presents as a girl at such a young age? Then she won't have anywhere she "fits in."

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do they have to wear skirts?

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@sfeitler: :::nodding in agreement::: The half dozen or so transgendered people I've known over the years have all said they knew in very early childhood that they were in the wrong body. Most learned pretty early in life to hide their feelings, only being able to come out fairly late in life. I met one youngster last year, however, whose parents had been supportive from his early adolescence and who was living his life with relatively little difficulty.

(Unfortunately, "relatively little difficulty" in my town means he gets beat up only a few times a year.)

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@mkentosh: Can't tell if that's a serious question. Girl Scouts do not have to wear skirts.