questionscan we block white triangles from posting "deals"?

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by jsoko
asked 8 months ago

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I suppose it really isn't that hard to earn a better than white triangle reputation after a day or so, so yeah why not make everyone show a little usefulness before posting?

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This deal he/she's a white triangle and been around since '05

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Sounds like it would eliminate a lot of bogus deals and spammers.
Like already stated it does not take much to move to the next color.
I'm for it.

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I disagree. We've all been white triangles once. And I've made some posts even after that wouldn't necessarily be considered deals, but were liked by many people. I like the pumpkin carving post. If the user posted like that all the time, then I would agree with you. But for now I just use the voting system to guide them, and as for the deals that are blatant self-promotion or spam, tattle on them.

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@miquinn: How do they have a 0 rep then?

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@mtrlgrl: You can tattle all you want... doesn't mean it will stop them from reposting when the staff deletes the "deal".

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@jsoko: I don't know, and I agree we would prob. be better off just without them, but I was just being a pain and saying sometimes they aren't that bad.

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If the woot staff just full-on deleted every user whose username is related to or contains the name of the website or company that it posts its "deals" for, that would hemorrhage some of the problem (if only temporarily).

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@miquinn: Understandable, and I appreciate your input.

I'm thinking they are still white is because they never made an official Woot purchase...

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@dmaz: I don't have a problem if a true reputable company posts their deals here. But they need to follow deals.woot's rules. Maybe @ohcheri can give us more information on the rules...

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@jsoko: mm you dont have to buy anything to get out of whiteness

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I think that most agree that something is needed. Maybe it would be better if they were limited, as to how many deals they could post. It could then ramp up, tied to other site activity. That would eliminate most of the real spammers, who won't take the time to hang around for that.

I am sure Woot wants to encourage new blood, so a certain amount of this is going to happen. I do think it is important to remember that, not every white triangle is a spammer, some are just figuring out what is woot-proper. To those, a comment regarding what is expected here, is time well spent. Today's noob, is tomorrows great deal finder, potentially.

Another possible solution would be to automatically remove a deal from view, if X amount of black triangles reported it. It doesn't even have to delete the deal, just disappear it until a mod can peruse it. And, if mods gave those priority, all the better.

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@pickypickypicky: I was a noob last year, good times... then I was accepted by the community and I feel so loved. If I wasn't allowed to add anything when I a white triangle, I think it would kinda sucked... I would have just kinda tagged along having trouble getting out of whiteness.

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What does it take, really, to scroll past? If you click on it, and find it unfavorable for any reason, there is still the tattle. What I have been seeing lately are a lot of suggestions on how to limit this or that or change this or that - some good and some bad. I think we as a community should certainly be able to make these suggestions and voice our opinions, but where does it become overkill?

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@jsoko: I see what you mean. I know the deals.woot staff does eventually delete ebay posts that are not high level or venders they are not that familiar with. I posted an ebay deal once that sounded good (it wasn't my own - I am not a seller), but it did get deleted and the reason they gave when I asked was because it wasn't a vendor they were familiar with.
Ebay is troublesome, must be hard for them to weed out the good and bad sellers.

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I don't think that white triangles should be blocked - maybe limited on how many deals that can post, but not blocked. If white triangles are not allowed to post deals, we could be missed some awesome finds. My first deal was posted when I was a white triangle and since the deal went popular, it helped me achieve a rep upgrade. At the time of my first post I was not a voting member as I had not purchased anything from woot and voting and posting deals count greatly towards your reputation. Do we really want to limit people who may contribute greatly to the site because they haven't attained a colored triangle? I understand the frustration of the ebay spammer from the last couple of days, but to punish all for the deeds of a few, just doesn't seem fair.

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I'm not sure blocking white triangles would do anything but ostracize those that are trying to 'break in', so to say. I see no issue with continuing to downvote/bury those deals that are just spam like we do, or just tattle on them. But there are plenty of people just trying to be as awesome as the rest of ya'll who are just starting out as white triangles. After all, like others have said, we all started there. No reason to suddenly shut them out.

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@miquinn: That's exactly what I mean. I would hate to see new members discouraged, it's too high a price to pay, to eliminate spammers. there is a fine line, between the camaraderie, that comes from enjoying D.wooters that you have gotten to know, and creating an insular elite, that starts feeding off itself.
A new member, placing a few deals, that are not copacetic, is not all that disruptive to the site. A spammer, spewing the whole catalog of bogus deals, is detrimental to both Woot itself, and to us wooters, and discourages potential new members from sticking around. As has been mentioned many times, a spam button on the tattle, would be a welcome change, but when mods are overworked, may not go far enough. There are days, that it seems, I do nothing on D.W, except report spam.

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As many have said before me, we all started out w/a white triangle. I didn't even know what it meant when I started. Tried to post what I thought was a good deal, and got hammered w/"duplicate deal" posts. Didn't know what that meant either. Duh! Learned quickly on how to tattle on myself, etc.. ;-)

It's a (forgive this overused phrase) learning process. That said, some are not here to learn or contribute - sometime they're just scammers or spammers. I say report them, ignore them or vote them down. Don't think a broadbrush sweep-out of innocent/virgin white triangles is a good idea.

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I'd agree with all those who disagree. A large number of white triangles might be spammers sure, but we all have to start somewhere. If someone is new to the site and genuinely wants to share good deals and participate, s/he shouldn't be barred from doing so just because they're new.