questionshave you heard deric lostutter (anonymous) may…

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No, I had not heard about the case but Google/Binging the name brought up several articles. Apparently he is part of Anonymous and claims he outed the rapists but someone else did the hacking. Our criminal justice system is definitely out of whack when injustices like this happen.

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You can not have hero hackers. When you hear the word hacker you should be afraid, and never liken them to any superheros.

Some would put Batman in jail if he were real. Not much difference imhop they have special gifts that allow them to do good but we make them boogiemen.

Remember Aaron Swartz.

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No, I hadn't heard. It's a pretty messed up world we are living in.

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first of all, the light sentences for the rapists was because they are juveniles. Sure they deserve longer sentences. So change the legal system.... many of the same people that support the actions of anonymous are the same people who demand that minors be treated differently than adults; they can't have it both ways.

This guy's actions may be noble, in this particular case. In general, though, I feel every member of anonymous deserves whatever sentence they get. These are the same guys who hack your bank, or interfere with your online transactions.

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@kamikazeken: You are saying they should convict Deric Lostutter for all of Anonymous' sins while on trial for hacking rapist accounts. Our country is not designed to work that way.

A cop can not pull me over for failing to use a turning signal and then say 'oh by the way I hear you are drag racing on public roads so here is a ticket for that too.'

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So goes the irony of the free. "You're free to do just about whatever you want, but we're gonna watch you do it. Just don't watch us back....or each other."

I actually "worked" with some guys that called themselves anonymous while in college. It was about the time the scientologist website was torn down (not an admission of guilt, I'm just giving a time frame). I'm not proud of it, I saw what others in the group were doing and found out quickly I wasn't that kind of person. some of them have good intentions. Most are just there for the hacking and the destruction. When they work towards a goal, like exposing rapists, they seem like decent people. However, when they aren't working together they are ruining lives, whether someone deserves it or not it's not my place to decide. I'll protest or cause an uproar but I'll never be the one to serve justice.

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Those rapists could have constituted being tried as adults and had real sentences but somewhere along the way we have lost objective in this country. Recently juveniles are being tried as adults for far less hurtful crimes and in this case i use the term loosely. Whether vigilantly hacker justice is good or not, some crimesIMO should always be adult crimes.
By the by does anyone know if juvenile sex offenders need register on the watch and be pariahs the rest of their lives?

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@caffeine_dude: Moreover, the cop can't pull you over for speeding on Elm street, and then say that in addition to speeding on Elm street, other drivers who drove there ran stop signs, drove while intoxicated and killed a kid in a hit and run. So since you broke the law while driving on Elm street, you are going to be charged with all the crimes of all the people who ever broke the law while driving on Elm street. While it is true that being a member of a group that breaks the law is a dangerous choice, our legal system is actually not supposed to practice guilt by association (although it does sometimes make a wrong turn down that path).

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@philosopherott: Good question. I expect it depends on the state, different states have different laws. As for trying kids as adults, that's a sticky wicket. Our prisons are meatgrinders, we don't want even evil, rotten kids in there. But telling teens that they can commit any crime no matter how grievous and get only a year or two in juvie for it is exceedingly dangerous. It seems to me that it should be possible for a juvenile offender to be tried as an adult, convicted, and be committed to juvenile detention till that state's legal age of adulthood, at which time they are remanded to prison.

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@moondrake: If I understand it correctly, RICO does just that.
I agree with the idea that JD while a juvenile, but then real prision.

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@philosopherott: RICO uses the presumption of guilt by association to get warrants for surveillance (back in the good old days when the police needed such niceties), but as far as I know you still cannot be charged with the crimes of your associates, unless they can make a conspiracy charge stick.

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Reminds me of when Anthony Pellicano noted that spying on famous people got him a longer jail sentence than most rapists and murderers. We get the justice system (and government) we deserve and as long as it's dominated by lawyers whose only concern is generating money for lawyers stuff like this will continue.

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#1 - He is accused of hacking, he says he didn't hack a thing. Just a point of pique with me.
#2 - As much as I wish those rapists were tried as adults and received longer sentences, their crimes do not and should not have an impact on Lostutter's trial, from a prosecution standpoint.
#3 - It's his attorney's job to show his intent, if they choose to go with a defense that admits to breaking a law. If so, they can and will say that violating the law was in the best interest of justice and they may or may not win with that. I hope they do. I donated to his defense fund and hope you do too. What Anonymous did in that case was amazing, they forced the wheels of justice to move again. We need that type of commitment to justice.

We cannot say that Anonymous is always good, because they aren't. What they are is us. We are all different, with different motives and different passions and skills. But when Anonymous does something beautiful, we should not leave the ones tagged to fall alone.