questionsdid you know that you cannot pump your own gas in…

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No, you are not insane, but the legislators in NJ and OR are insane. Although sold as "safety" legislation it is really a way of protecting low wage jobs from elimination. Of course this also results in higher prices in those jurisdictions.

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Yes I did. One of my Xbox friends lived in OR and said he almost got a ticket for trying to after he moved there from Cali.
Didn't know it also applied to NJ.

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Having been to both states, yes, I knew that. And in both cases. the gas was also cheaper than here in SoCal too.

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I learned that when I went to visit my brother in Portland. He did say it was to protect the jobs. Their gas wasn't any more than what I was paying at home. That's the same reason they give here in Michigan for intentionally building sub-standard roads. They know they can do better and it would save money in the long run, but construction jobs would suffer.

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i was aware of it in OR, but got yelled at when i was in NJ a few years ago. at first i thought the guy was just some loon and started opening my gas tank door. then another guy starts yelling at me. had i reached for the nozzle, i swear these two looked like they were going to tackle me.

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I have lived in NJ for most of my life. Our gas is generally cheaper than most other places, and we don't have to get out in the (rain, snow, wind, cold, heat) weather and pump our own gas. Yes, this can add to wait times and make stopping for gas longer sometimes which is really annoying. I've never seen anyone get a ticket for pumping their own gas - I've often seen it done. My parents made it a point to make sure my brother and I knew how to pump gas as soon as we were old enough whenever we went on out of state trips. I went on a trip in college with some friends who grew up in NJ and it turned out I was the only one out of 5 (all women, some were also from other countries) who knew how to pump gas.

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Yeah, but one time I stopped at a lonesome gas station on the way to Canon Beach in OR and I pumped my own and no one said anything. /shrug

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Yes, we make regular trips up to Atlantic City, NJ and that was always one of the things we would have to remember when stopping for gas - not to get out and pump it. The gas is usually cheaper than in PA or MD and it is nice to not have to get out, but it does take longer to get back on the road and on your way. I did not know OR was like that though.

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NJ gas prices are about the middle of the pack - about mid to upper $3 range for the non-brand name and low $4s for the brand names. Nationwide, gas prices are as low as under $3.50 to over $4.25 for the reg unleaded.

These laws have been around for a while and it's simply to artificially create employment. There was legislation in NJ to remove the requirement and a rep or senator defended the current law saying that the people of NJ had never pumped their own gas wouldn't be able to make the transition risking life and limb. If I lived there, I'd be more than a little insulted by that.

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Yes, I knew this. I've been in both places. Normally, if I am needing to drive through OR, I fill up just across the border, and then fill up after I leave the state. I have also smiled every so sweetly at the earnest young man, told him that I would stand and watch while he did it, and if he attempted to top off the tank, life would be suddenly unpleasant. I'm not fond of that stripe of excess gas on the car because it's a warm day, and the tank's too full.

I've also filled my own tank in both states, depending on where, and who was watching at the time.

Yeah, it's a dumb law. So are the liquor laws, in every state I've been in (some crazier than others). Happens.

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I believe that NJ got this right, rather than the other way around. Given the fact that NJ has lower gas prices than surrounding states may indicate that something is amiss. PA had a law like NJ's, that you couldn't pump your own gas. People beat drums, sounded horns, and indicated that when the law was repealed, your gas prices would go down. Over 25 years later and NJ gas prices are still cheaper than PA's, and you have to pump your own in PA. If you go from phila to NJ across one of the bridges the gas price drops about 10-20 cents a gallon on average.

All those guys/gals pumping gas pay taxes on their earnings. It puts people to work who may have been otherwise unemployed - people who may have sucked on the nipple of the government for their livelihood.

Say what you will, but it appears NJ got it right.

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Best thing I love about drive to NY, stop in NJ for gas becuase it cheaper than PA and you sit in the car while it happens

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Explained in one word (as least as it applies to Jersey): Unions

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I remember when self-serve gas stations seemed like a crazy concept.

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I live in California and sometimes go to Oregon. I love buying gas there because it's FAR cheaper than at home and I don't have to do a thing. (If it was more expensive, I'd have a problem with it.)

At the same time that it provides me with convenience, it provides another person with a job.

For me to find anything to complain about there, I'd have to be a jerk of monumental proportions. (I can be a jerk sometimes, but I don't know how ANYBODY can be a big enough jerk to find something to complain about in this instance.)

I didn't know about the $1000 fine. That's a little disconcerting. An out of state driver who is getting slow service without even knowing it could get themselves in some big trouble. That's a bit of a problem. But not the rest of it.

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I was just recently in NJ, and am from Florida. When I first got there it was explained me to me, after trying to shoo the people away from my vehicle, that they must pump the gas for me in all of NJ, and that I couldn't do it.

After about 3 gas stations, and many attempts at shoo-ing strangers away later, I got sort of used to it.. but still I am not comfortable with strangers walking up,taking my card, and then pumping x amount of gas into my vehicle. Also, the prices were not that much cheaper than states North or South, they were about the same.

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I honestly can't recall when I was ever at a fuel pump that wasn't self-service. I would be in trouble in OR and NJ, apparently.

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@mrgrogg: The only problem I have is that it's not optional. I'd prefer an incentive. Like, you'll pay less if you don't pump your own gas. But should you prefer to do it yourself, you can, you just won't get the discount. One of the main reasons I feel this way is because I am a very nervous person. I hate shopping because as people start walking towards / near me, I get very anxious. I'm not sure I'd be able to handle someone getting that close to my car with me in it but it would look ridiculous if I stood away from my car while they put gas in it. >_< Plus, if you start to panic, you can't just leave, you know? With self-serve you can stop at $2 if you wanted and could just up and leave immediately (provided you used a card).

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@djp519: But the amazing part to me is though several have mentioned the lower prices, no one seems to wonder about who's subsidizing these stations there.

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I knew about NJ. I was in SC on a visit and went to a gas station. There was a couple from NJ in a car, just sitting there. I went over to their window and told them - self serve gas here. I showed the guy how to pump his own gas, too. They had been sitting there awhile, he said. Couldn't figure out why no one was helping them.
I has southern hospitality.

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Yes. I'm in NJ and I LOVE not pumping my own gas. And NOOOOOOO it does NOT take longer. If you're from NJ and you go to any other state where you have to pump gas, those people take FOREVER!!. they brush their hair, check the windows. Go inside grab a snack. come back maybe take the pump out. clean the windshield. talk to the guy at the next pump about the game. Its so much SLOWEEEERRRR.
I pull up to a pump, get my gas and GONE! If the guy cleans my window I give him a tip. More jobs... blah blah blah.

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Oh and another thing. The reson NJ and some eastern port states have lower gas price is because the gas truck that drives west to deliver gas has to use GAS to get there. the cost of delivery is higher hence the higher gas price. I also have news for you. Cheaper on average is like MAYBE 2-3 cents. It's not like NJ is $1 cheaper per gallon than Indiana or something.

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Oh and ANOTHER thing. There is no gas union. Also no one in NJ will yell at you for getting out and pumping your own gas. Where are you guys coming up with this stuff?
Just about every gas station is owned by some indian family. None of them will ever care if you pump your own gas and if you think they belong to a union you're crazy. Never happened.
if you're in Northwest NJ and go to an all white, run by hipster kids, gas station rockin Ohio plates and try to pump your own gas you might get yelled at but even then I doubt it.

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I don't know about New Jersey but here in Oregon measures that would allow self-serve gas have been put on the ballot at least twice in recent memory. Both were defeated by voters with a large margin.

Personally, I am quite happy to sit on my butt in my nice warm, dry car while someone makes a few bucks pumping my gas for me. No standing out in the rain and cold, no smelly hands, no fuss, muss nor bother. An unqualified bargain for only ~30 cents per tank (studies published in the voter's pamphlet indicated that paying an attendant adds about 3 cents per gallon on average).

I guess Type-A folks can find happiness in one of the other 48 states. :-)

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I wish there were still full-service stations around in other states. On long road trips, the gas stop is often the food stop. And to avoid delays, I eat on the road. So getting gas on my hands from the dirty pump handle, which doesn't wash completely, ruins the flavor of the food I'm getting before I get back on the road. Especially food with odor-absorbing bread/buns.

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I grew up in Oregon. On my way to work, I had to stop and get gas. The pump finished, and I sat there for 5 minutes (no one else there getting gas, just me) before I got out and put the pump back so I wouldn't be late to work. As I closed the cap, a guy came running out yelling at me. He informed me that the station can get up to a $25,000 fine for that, and that I could get fined as well.

I informed him that if he didn't want those fines, he should get off his lazy derriere and do what he's paid to do, then drove off. Granted I was 16-ish so I'm sure there was much more swearing involved.

Never bothered to see if it was true that the gas station gets fined as well or not.

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@djp519: I'd like to know where you're getting this idea. What data, facts, legislation, etc...or is it just some anti-union bias you have and that's how you see the world.

I mean do the math. How many attendants do you need times the number of filling stations and you've got your union member base. I figure a station probably has 6, tops for a large one. How powerful a union do you think that is to go against the station owners and people who don't want it.

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I think it's weird that these two states basically force a public to support a totally unnecessary job in order to keep people employed.

What will these states do if electric cars become the norm or even super efficient gas powered cars that don't require fill-ups as often? Will they keep the gas stations open with no one using them to keep people who work at gas stations employed? Or maybe they have to be retrained to plug in your electric car at a recharge station?

Do these two states allow for ATMS? Didn't those put some bank workers out of jobs?

What about self-service cafeterias? Didn't that put wait staff out of jobs?

I would guess if the gas is cheaper in NJ versus PA it is likely due to a difference in state taxes on petro.

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@first2summit, @djp519: All I know is, when self-serve has been on the ballot here in Oregon, the big oil companies sponsor most of the campaign FOR allowing self-serve. Hmmm...

Gas station attendants have no union here. Most of them that I deal with are teenagers/young people.

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@hessem: ATM's at gas stations are personally owned. They have nothing to do with the bank and as a matter of fact each transaction done at those ATM's make the banks MORE money due to double hits on surcharge and process fees (payment for the data lines). ATM's at the bank are run, filled and operated by the bank themself so there is no loss of money there.
Self service cafeteria also has prepard food. Therefore you pay someone to make the sandwich and since there is prep involved it's taxed. So That makes more money all around for the state (you).
I already explained why the gas price is different...

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triplebud: You totally missed the whole purpose of my comments. It really doesn't matter who owns or runs ATMS or who makes money off of them or that it still takes some people to prepare the food in cafeterias. The point was that the work done by people was replaced by self-service in both of those scenarios. No one stepped in to protect or create jobs for bank tellers or wait staff.

The government could've chosen to mandate that cafeterias provide wait staff to carry your tray and dish your food. (You'd say this is unnecessary as you can serve your own food.) The government could've chosen to legislate no ATMS to save bank tellers jobs. (Again you'd say this is unnecessary as you can get your own money.)

The government chose to protect the OBSOLETE jobs of gas station attendants with legislation in both NJ and OR. (now make an argument on why this is a necessary job and deserved protection.…)

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Looked it up & found out that:
"New Jersey passed the law making it illegal to pump your own gas in 1949. At the time, legislators felt it was too dangerous to have untrained people dispensing such a flammable liquid."

Why it hasn’t changed is anybody’s guess – highly improbable it is because of Unions as some have said because the majority of the gas stations are independent or family run franchises.

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I guess in 1949 gas cans weren't used to take gas home to fill your lawn mower?
Or did a gas station attendant have to stop by your house to fill your lawn mower since obviously NJ residents couldn't be trusted to handle a volatile substance.

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Knew about NJ previously.
Found out that Oregon had the same laws when we flew out to Seattle last week (sitting next to someone who lived in OR -- somehow the conversation came up...)

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@hessem: And you missed the point that the majority of voters in Oregon support no self-serve and have voted their preference multiple times in state elections. So the jobs and safety arguments (either position) are moot. The way it is is the way the majority likes it. What else needs to be said?

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I get that a majority of voters voted for it.
So you support all legislation that the "majority" voted for?
Meaning that you fully support those states that have voted in the majority to uphold the DoM act?

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@hessem: Strawman much?

What I personally support or don't isn't the issue. The question was put to a vote (at least twice) and the majority chose. That's how our system works. If you don't like the choice that was made here, there are 48 other states with different rules.

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Majority rule was used as your reason why the no self serve law exists.

Philosophically if you use majority rule as the only argument for supporting the no self serve law then all laws voted on and passed by the majority should have your support since you advocate the voice of the majority. You can't use majority rule to only support those laws that you like.

Although i think legislating job security for a small group of people is odd and goes against free market principles (plus it's government micromanaging business), I guess following your logic if a majority rules that this is how they want things then so be it.

I'll just avoid gassing up in OR and NJ because full serve is slow.