Why are there so many tools and trolls on Woot now?
I posted a deal for a childrens charity and got a troll....and someone actually voted on his response....It makes me feel the need to offer my more skilled services to them both in giving blood to the red cross instead. Do they take it in buckets?
I think you just maybe need to grow up a little bit, its the internet. I read the comment he posted, and it really wasn't "troll-y" he had a point. you were the one who was being over dramatic about it. But the fact of the matter is this isn't a "donate to charity" site (though there is nothing wrong with that), its for deals.
@v3n0m91: Maybe you don't read so well either. I said Tools AND Trolls. By the way, tax deductible help for kids = Deal. If you don't agree then just don't vote on it, grow up yourself.
@v3n0m91: Deals has a long history of promoting charities, and it's ever so nice to see someone prove the point of the OP. You know what your mother always said; if you can't say anything nice...
For a long, long time, Deals was a very friendly and civilized place. As the popularity has grown, most of the adults have moved on to other things. There are still plenty that are good people, but they get drowned in the ugliness. For every moron that feels the need to comment that something isn't a deal, another domo-kun dies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7ZDH45OAt8
@dontmakemehurtyou: Ignore the haters.
@shrdlu: Well seeing how his "deal" only got one vote, it looks to me like times are changing. Like I said, nothing is wrong with charities but maybe this isn't the place to be posting them anymore.
@dontmakemehurtyou: I did read, and in you description you wrote: "I posted a deal for a childrens charity and got a troll" yet in the comments you called him a "narcissistic tool" perhaps you should make up your mind. :)
@v3n0m91: Well, he posted it on Sunday (traditionally a day when most people don't hang out here, and the trolls are more prevalent), and in addition, it didn't really look like much of a deal to me (I wasn't the voter, and I often vote up charities). The point still stands. Making comments about something not being a deal, or not belonging on deals, isn't useful.
You want to do something useful? Go find some deals that people like, and post them. That would be useful.
[Edit] You can also help by voting up good deals, over on the Deals Fresh tab.
@shrdlu: I fully agree, however I am terrible at finding deals :( I understand I went about it in the wrong way, but I still feel he was overreacting to this one post.
@dontmakemehurtyou: If he truly was a troll, you just successfully built him a swell monument. Let go of the minute and don't feed the wildlife.
@dontmakemehurtyou: all other comments aside, it's difficult for me to take your comments and concerns as being sincere and well-intentioned when you reply with language that is every bit as snarky as that which you're complaining about.
I tattle submissions that are 'not deals' because Woot provides no way to downvote items. In the past the response from Woot to requests to be able to downvote submissions was 'that is what tattle is for' so that is what I do. Every once in a while I will also comment in addition to tattle.
@mikeq: Those tattles are just noise, as far as the people having to look at them are concerned. Please consider that sometimes the staff looking at Tattles is spread VERY thin, and that you are merely adding to the "oh, discard" pile, rather than the "wow, this needs to be acted on" group. In addition, if you do this often enough, when you do have something worthy to say, it'll get ignored, since staff will be expecting yet another "this isn't a deal" post from you, rather than something useful.
Remember that often, @faughtey is holding down the fort by her lonesome, especially on Sundays. We like her; let's not make her life more difficult. She's plenty busy already.
"@magic cave:" Agree with every word you said; absolutely.
I finally went back and LOOKED at the deal (which I didn't vote for, as I'd said). I was the FIRST vote on the comment that the OP is objecting to.
Dearest @dontmakemehurtyou; Don't make me hurt you back. Take a hint from @magic cave and make the attempt to be a bit more adult about all this. Really. I'm telling you this for your own good. That original comment was hardly worth all this Sturm und Drang, although I still stand by my original statements on the idea that charity deals are just as much a deal as anything else.
i think the deal is for the right audience. think about it if you know people that never really donate and then they come across a targeted donation like this.
they might not identify with natural disasters if they live a sheltered life or don't tune to news channels. but then a charity like this is saying "if you're a gamer, share that love of gaming with sick kids"
people would think, sure i'm a gamer and i'd love for kids to have fun while recovering. i'd like to be playing games if it was me there.
i didn't vote for it before but did now for you. oh and for the kids of course :) i TRY to skip over the trolleys and tooleys, but always report spammers
@magic cave: Turn the other cheek only works for so long.
All this is what makes it hard to even want to post deals like a charity. It's your business if you would rather vote up a Funny T-Shirt and not vote up this deal, but it's also mine to defend the deal in any way I see fit when I see negative comment. I do the same in real life. If someone calls you an As@hat in real life...do you not respond accordingly? I don't get paid on this deal...I see nothing from it....I just want others to have the chance to help. My view is that if you are skimming through the deal and all you see is the one comment about how crappy this charity is you might keep going, so yes I do think it's appropriate to respond as an adult and use adult words. It's not about me anyway, which is ironically the point of charity, its not about you......it's about others.
All I can say is welcome to the internet :\
@dontmakemehurtyou: You have been quite hostile with all your responses. Disproportional to the situation. Justonebrat made a pretty idiotic statement, on every level... It's true. His comment is false, inappropriate and rude. However, that's not an excuse for you to go "hulk mad". It's a great opportunity for you to explain to people like justonebrat why these types of charities are important. That opportunity was missed, and replaced with attacks against a person who doesn't understand. Do you feel calling him a narcissistic tool benefited the charity at all?
Further, I wonder why you jump straight to the words, "narcissistic" and "tool". Discussion of ego libido is clearly indicated. Please, sit on the couch. Tell me about your mother.
@dontmakemehurtyou: So, is "An eye for an eye" working out any better for you overall?
A question like this is kind of trollish and typically posed by a tool.
@dontmakemehurtyou: "Don't make me hurt you" is what tools say before they, well, hurt you. Now I am not saying your a bully of course I am not saying your not, but my hairs rise a bit when I hear that phrase muttered. I usually try to protect the recipient of that phrase.
The charity I promoted got dubbed by some as illegal or used for hacking, I feel like I defended them by posting supporting arguments as legitimacy the charity, I did not attack the poster but did say the comment was paranoid.
In case you ask World Community Grid.
@caffeine_dude: Hey, I just went and looked. I don't see any Charity from you, so it must have been on the Questions side, or in another guise than the familiar Cup of Joe that I'm used to. Perhaps it was even deleted (those things do happen, fair or not).
What was it? I'm curious, now. snicker Don't make me hurt you. Tell me now, or else.
@dontmakemehurtyou: A really wise man I knew long ago from an internet newsgroup used to say, when he thought it appropriate, "If someone says you're being an ass, ignore him. If two people tell you you're being an ass, try to ignore them. If three people tell you you're being an ass, you might want to start shopping for a saddle."
I think the count is currently up to eight. Or is it nine?
May I suggest: http://www.sstack.com/western_saddles_trail/double-s-work---trail-saddle/
@magic cave: Clearly, an ass is one who wishes to be a stallion, but can not afford a saddle such as this.
@shrdlu: Yes it was an evil plan, you guessed it under the guises as a question, good call!!!
Evil plan summary:
Part one drum up interest.
Part two suggest a Woot team.
Part three suggest rewards for contribution.
No one seemed interested. Part 1 failed. Perhaps I should have attached bacon to the plan some how.
See how it all fell apart here.
http://deals.woot.com/questions/details/48abf99b-80c4-438f-90c5-760c19c5b169/does-anyone-donate-their-cpu-time-to-a-grid#7
@caffeine_dude: Hey, I remember that question. I voted up nearly ALL the comments (except the idiot in the first one, and no kamikaziken, because I was feeling annoyed at him that day for one reason or another). While I'm not a fan of loaning out my own CPU cycles, I surely applaud those who do. Lots of RSA and DES factoring went on using other people's computers.
Mean people suck (except for me; I'm funny, so it's okay to be mean).
"@magic cave:" That is one nice saddle.
@shrdlu: I believe that making a post that "something isn't a deal" is useful. If you happen to be a person who comes to the deals.woot "DEALS" page, and all you are interested in is DEALS, then charity posts are just one step above the spammers who open new accounts and post boatloads of "deals" for one particular storefront for which they are a schill. The last thing I look for on the internet is a charitable organization that may deserve my money, there are simply too many crooks to waste my time online weeding out the crap from the legitimate charities. I may use the web to research a specific charity I've heard about elsewhere, but that's it.
The original poster turned me off even more with his response to the post about his deal NOT being deal.
Personally, I'm here to see real deals for tangible merchandise or funny posts in the "deals" section. Posts for charities get a tattle from me. Sorry, nothing personal, but it's NOT A DEAL.
@dontmakemehurtyou:
"All this is what makes it hard to even want to post deals like a charity."
Once again, this charity is not a DEAL. If your post was "donate $X to this charity and someone else will match it dollar for dollar", now THAT would be a deal.
"It's your business if you would rather vote up a Funny T-Shirt and not vote up this deal..."
Exactly! IT'S OUR BUSINESS, and since there is no way to vote a deal DOWN, posting "not a deal" and tattling is the only option.
"It's not about me anyway, which is ironically the point of charity, its not about you......it's about others."
again, EXACTLY! It's NOT ABOUT YOU! but you have made it completely about... YOU!
Had you posted over here in the discussion side of deals.woot, I doubt your post would have been attacked. Hell, I may even have voted it up.
Group hug! Snug-a-bug?
And I thought the heat was just making my own family a bit edgy...now Deals really feels like home.
@lavikinga: Deals.woot = home away from home IN my home. : )
@caffeine_dude: Best of all, I make my own trolls right here at home.
@kamikazeken: Post away, all you like. Don't tattle, though, since (as I'd pointed out, earlier) it just adds to the work load, without being useful. Everyone gets to comment, and as long as it stays civilized, I don't much care, not really. Tattling is for things that staff can (or will) do something about. Spam, x-rated items (the kind that are normally on sites that require a credit card, and proof that you're 18 or over), things that we know aren't allowed (even if they used to be), such as mystery deals, expired deals, duplicate deals, please add my picture/price/shipping requests...all those are useful to hit the Tattle button with.
Not a deal comments may annoy me, but I don't care all that much (unless your name is zippy). As I'd also pointed out, I didn't vote for this particular charity deal, but I voted up the first comment pointing out that it wasn't all that wonderful. If I'd realized that was what this question was about, I'd have been MUCH less kind in my first comment.
@shrdlu: SAVE THE DOMO_KUN's ..... do it for the children!
@dontmakemehurtyou: Interesting note regarding turning the other cheek: it's not telling you to grin and bear it. The idea is that someone has struck you with the back of his (or her) hand, which is understandably humiliating. By turning the other cheek, you refuse that humiliation and reclaim your dignity.
Yes, I know that sounds like garbage from the internet. They're better at phrasing it than I am.
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