questionswhy was my buckyballs deal removed?

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Even though Buckyballs haven't been formally recalled yet, the CPSC got several large retailers to agree to stopping all sales of the product. Amazon was one of those retailers...Woot is a child of Amazon.

I would guess that is the reason...if you like Buckyballs, you'd better buy them now! That's what I did with the Magnetix building sets a few years ago.

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Yes, according to @Jumbowoot 2 days ago:

"We will no longer accept offerings for buckyballs or similar items.
We will be removing all current posts for these items."

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Knives= safe
Pellet guns = safe
Buckyballs = too dangerous

Just checking to make sure my common sense radar isn't on the fritz.

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@daveinsocal: LOL! If I could upvote this a million times I would!

Your common sense radar isn't on the fritz, people are just that stupid, and lawsuit happy. I hate to see what's next.

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Looks like Woot is staying on top of deleting the deals now.... Well with the one exception above that is NOT Buckyballs LOL

Sorry @jumbowoot I didn't know of your guidelines before posting, but at least it wasn't only my deal that was deleted and hopefully the responsible people who wanted to order some were able to see it all :)

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@daveinsocal: While I chuckled at the (partial) truth of your post, I would like to point out that buckyballs are actually MORE dangerous than knives or pellet guns.

Follow my reasoning here...

(see next post)

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Knives and pellet guns carry an OBVIOUS inherent risk of danger that one would have to be moronic to not note. Buckyballs, however, are not any sort of obvious threat...until a child is lying on a surgery table near death (or DEAD) from intestinal perforation and peritonitis/sepsis because no one would ever expect that from these, like might be anticipated with weapons.

To be clear: there really isn't much danger in swallowing ONE of them (although I wouldn't recommend it)--it will pass through the GI system normally. The danger lies in swallowing two or more. Each will start to pass through normally, but as the gut twists and turns back on itself several times within the abdomen, they will pass by each other even though they are in very different areas. The magnetic pull is SO strong, they will bond to each other, "killing" the tissue in between them, allowing them out into the abdominal cavity, with gut contents following. Not something a parent would be expected to anticipate.

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@reginafilangee: so what ever happened to the film canister rule? if your kid is under five they aren't allowed anything smaller than a film canister because they might put it in their mouth and swallow. until the individual is old enough to understand that then why are they being allowed by parents to make their own choices? you wouldn't allow the kid to play with a handful of change or marbles because they might swallow it, so why are ball bearings ok?

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@reginafilangee: I just went to post a link to Woot Real and Actual Field Test on Buckyballs and they seem to have removed that as well. They themselves actually made a video showing what could happen to try to drive home that they were not for kids. I couldn't find it on Youtube and using a search engine I get a link saying it was made private. I guess they are trying to remove all traces of what was one of their mainstay products.

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@reginafilangee: I'm going to have to disagree with your premise. NOTHING has an inherent or obvious risk to a small child.

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@moosezilla: Probably because ball bearings present no choking hazard (neither do buckyballs), and (unless made from zinc, lead, etc. which are toxic), ball bearings will pass through the intestinal tract uneventfully, to be unceremoniously "dumped" (pardon the pun) into the commode. They are not marketed as toys in and of themselves, either. Buckyballs are. They carried a warning for either 12 or 13 years and under to not have access to them, but there have been far too many cases in spite of that.

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@daveinsocal: O crap I have a room with at least 20 knives in it. I also have small appliances that sole purpose is to mangle meat or vegetables. Think of what it could do to small hands. In this room I have a draw with thumb tacks and scissors. I have a machine that makes an open flame by easily turning a knob at small children's eye level. I do not even have a door on that room what am I thinking?

Don't even get me started about what is in the room where I keep my car, it is like a horror film's prop room.

Good thing I keep my Buckeyballs out of that unlocked room and in my home office, or at work which are strictly off limits to children.

@reginafilangee:
http://www.getbuckyballs.com/buckyballs-only-marketed-to-adults-cpsc-press-release/

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@moosezilla: " so what ever happened to the film canister rule?"

So, what's a "film canister?"

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Believe it or not some serious questions:
Does the rule apply to all Neodymium Magnetic Balls, or just BuckeyBalls?
Does the rule apply to BuckeyBall Cubes?
Does the rule apply to BuckeyBall Bars?
Does the rule apply to BuckeyBall Bigs?

And a not so serious question:
Why do I suddenly want to buy hundreds of dollars worth of BuckeyBalls?

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@daveinsocal wrote: "NOTHING has an inherent or obvious risk to a small child."

Are you intending to say that a parent wouldn't assume that a knife or pellet gun doesn't carry an obvious, inherent risk to a small child???.....or did you mean to word that differently? Small children don't buy any of these items for themselves...but their parents do. Parents KNOW that knives and pellet guns are dangerous for children to play with....because that's obvious. It's not at all obvious to parents that Buckyballs would be just as dangerous.

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@raider9924: I could (in theory, because I have them) post intra-operative pics of damage from Buckyballs that would curl your toes and/or make you puke, but am limited in how I could do that without identification of any subjects involved.

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@caffeine_dude: The problem is that while they have only been marketed to adults, adults still did not/do not "see" how they are dangerous to small children. Adults easily "see" how knives and all the other things you listed are dangerous to small children, and take steps (hopefully) to prevent unsupervised access. There is nothing inherently obvious TO AN ADULT about Buckyballs to make them think to take the same precautions and treat them as the same dangers as the more obvious things you exampled.

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@caffeine_dude: "Why do I suddenly want to buy hundreds of dollars worth of BuckeyBalls?"

Even though you said it was a not-so-serious question, it actually might not be a bad investment. They'll probably become a collector's item and go up in value as such.

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they'll still get sold by some offshore company.

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@reginafilangee: Yes that is my point. I just was watching a buckyball auction that was over $50 with active bidding.
But to be honest if you were the Buckyball manufacturer you would encourage this ideal of investing in Buckyball thing and it would not cost you much to over bid a few auctions to make people over invest in the final days of sale, (think of what happens when you sell 1 thing for one day it rids you of procrastinating window shoppers) great marketing strategy. I think I read sales of BB are at 500 times normal sales right now.

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Thanks for pointing this out. I've always loved these things and just ordered what might be my last legit set ever. As others have mentioned, I'm sure they'll always be available from the cheap offshore gadget sites though (meritline, dealextreme, etc).

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@caffeine_dude: I have 3 (unopened) sets that I'm going to put into a vault for safe-keeping until they get up to around a thousand bucks each, LOL.

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Thanks to all of your posts I just added to my collection with a sweet deal!

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Anyone here ever use zen magnets? I am wondering because i stumbled across this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7Tka4NUmUo

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@reginafilangee: Sorry for the confusion. I meant to the child themselves. I'm assuming an intelligent parent knows that all small magnets are unsuitable for children below a certain maturity level.

At most this would warrant a warning label: "Not suitable for small children."

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@daveinsocal: It has already had that label for about 2yrs now, even going so far as to specify a minimum age of 13 (yes, thirteen---not 3) years of age.

Hasn't worked. Parents still don't see the danger, because it's not obvious like for a weapon, etc. Cases have continued to increase, in spite of warning labels. So, "at most" isn't cutting it. It's not working. That's why they're being pulled from the market.

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@jsimsace: Thanks! I am here to serve.
@lavikinga: That is a mouth watering deal.

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So is Woot advising the customers that bought them to mail them back for a full refund?
http://www.woot.com/offers/buckyballs-216-piece-rare-earth-magnetic-set-2-pack

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@caffeine_dude: I even tattled on their deal. That ain't right. However, remember that gearxs is often a sponsored vendor here. Hmmmmm...

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@jsimsace: a Gearsx deal was deleted earlier too.....Just give it time... Although this one is actually posted BY Gearsx, the other was just a link to their site...

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@jsimsace: My tattle asked that they at least change the tags.... about 3 minutes after that is when they took my book deal down. I am very disappointed in woot now.

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This is our Great American Society.
Us lower type folk have to be geared up for the lowest common denominator.
Yes there will be stupid people who buy things and let their babies play with them.
Buckyballs, knives, toy guns, fertilizer tablets, box cutters, combs, whatever.
In order to protect our breeding stock of minions, we will keep you from having the ability to have things without our permission.
Let them eat Big Macs. Buy crap and prosper.

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@gidgaf: You are missing the point you can still buy killer magnets marketed to children (see the tags) http://deals.woot.com/deals/details/8b4170b8-bc28-4cf7-bdc8-b82532432ce4/216-5mm-magnetic-ball-puzzle-game-puzzle-game-for-creative-people
But not Buckyballs branded magnets not marketed to children.

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@caffeine_dude: @jsimsace: I know. I sent a tattle mentioning the tags that had pegged the bad taste meter, but figured if it had been sitting there for over three hours I was just spitting into the wind.
I know there are rabid gearsx haters, Gearsx being given the extra a bit of latitude isn't gonna go over well with some members of the community. Of course, Gearsx will just thumb their noses and carry on.

I do think it's a crying shame we're turning into Nanny America. Sad thing is it's not really about well-being. It's more likely a result of the high dollar lawsuits.
It's all about the Benjamins.

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No only are they removing deals for the magnets, which makes sense since Amazon no longer will sell them, but they even removed a deal for the Big Book of Bucky, which is technically safe for human consumption, although not recommended.

I came across these deals in RSS, which is where I got my 45% off code, and I ordered two sets from them.

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I think we should boycott bad parents and buy buckets of BuckyBalls..

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Well the above post was gone this morning when I got up, but this one ha stuck around long enough to make top deals!

http://deals.woot.com/deals/details/d0feaa35-1d50-4065-934a-163e66aa418f/45-off-buckyballs-with-suckitgroupon-code#8

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So this company is going to have to stop manufacturing a product because some parents are idiots?

If someone is too dumb &/or lazy to child-proof their home, the ban should be on them having kids, not on a product intended for ADULTS to be banned. Until a kid is old enough to know not to swallow random items, they shouldn't have access to anything that they can ingest. Like the film canister reference, I've always gone by the rule: if the entire thing can fit in the kid's mouth, it isn't safe. Yes, accidents happen, I understand that. But banning everything that is small enough to be swallowed is ridiculous.

I wonder what the stats are on how many kids get injuries from buckyballs compared to harm from ingesting other things they ought not to get their hands on (alcohol, toxic cleaning products, etc).

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Follow Darwin's law let the morons die and make our gene pool stronger... You notice the more they protect us, the more idiots breed more little idiot...