questionsso....have you seen microsoft's response to sony…


Wow, just watched the videos. Microsofts PR is just terrible.


"Look, if you can't afford to have an always-on internet connection you should be rocking the Atari 2600. They're digging up a bunch of ET games for you so it's all good." Pathetic.


The Microsoft response video has been pulled from YouTube


From the engadget link:

MATTRICK: "Some of the advantages that you get, of having, a box that is designed to use an online state, so, that, uh, to me is the future-proof choice, and I think people, could've arguably gone the other way if we didn't do it and fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity, it's called Xbox 360."

So I'm just guessing here that English isn't Mr. Mattrick's first language? Or is it merely that he has a totally untenable position to defend and that a spew of gobbledegook word salad was the best he could manage?

This just gets funnier and sadder every day. The plight of the submariner is exactly what @stile99 mentioned yesterday.


I just love these companies.

I live in a rural area (beautiful lake in the backyard, woods everywhere) by choice. This limits me to a satellite internet connection because there are simply no cables. I pay HEAVILY for a limited usage connection because there is NO such thing as unlimited satellite for me. This means "always on" is an immediate no sale.


Just one more reason for me to hate Microsoft.


I did not get to watch the
because of the evilness of Viacom.

Serious Viacom how does a <2 minute video make you loose money, unless your planning your own online user video service in the future.


Not only was it a stupid thing to say, it's not even really true. I have a 360, and certain games require the system to be updated (which requires a download) just to play. The first game I noticed it on was Oblivion, but I'm sure there's more. The 360 thankfully doesn't require the always-online crapola that the Xbone will, but to say you can happily use the 360 in a totally offline state is false.


If you need a totally offline system, then play SNES. GAWD.


Just to clarify (not defend, since i'm unhappy about the new xbox for several reasons)

but just clarifying some misinformation.

While some games might require always-on connectivity... the system only needs to check in once per day. Games can be played offline, as long as it's authenticated (handshake, logged in, whatever else you may call it) - now some publishers might require an always on connection for their own purposes (EA springs to mind) and cooperative online play, obviously requires a steady connection.

Not that this is a good thing, but it is certainly more palatable than the alternative. It's also very early... i see many concessions being made on this particular point before the actual release date. MS did try something similar with the 360 mid-cycle, but it didn't come to be.


also - another annoying issue that's cropped up with this newest console war - the troops. everyone is jumping on the bandwagon about how this alienates our troops.

with family members and friends in the armed forces, i obviously support them and wish for their safety, health and relative comfort.

With that said, if you're not one of "the troops" then please, stuff it. Stop trying to bolster support using a cause that doesn't directly affect you. We should be getting angrier at the fact that we have so many of our troops deployed for so long without clear mission orders or purpose that they suffer from extreme boredom and inactivity (enough to need a constant supply of video games) - and lets keep things in perspective - it's a video game console. I can't find it in my heart to get up in arms over the fact that some of my friends and family may not be able to play call of duty into the long hours of the night - sorry.


@starblind: I believe those 360 games that require an update to play is because you already have an internet connection and it has detected that a new version exists. If you did not connect your 360 to the internet at all, it wouldn't know about the update and it would let you play it without being updated.


Hey @thumperchick: , @caffeine_dude: still rocked the NES, SNES, PS2, The Cube, and the Wii in the last year. Internet not required.
And a 2600 if you include the Flashback.


@caffeine_dude: My brother came to visit the past couple of days. We played NES, SNES, Sega Genesis and Dreamcast. I have all of the retro systems hooked up and ready to play all the time.

I have to admit I'm pulling for the Playstation. The XB just never grabbed me in since it didn't do anything besides play video games. Sure it played DVDs, but the PS3 played Blu-Ray and did all the other stuff too. I'll probably pre-order 2 with plans on selling one of them on release day to make back my money on both


@goatcrapp: Its not just about the troops... In 30 years, I will still be rocking the Atari 2600 and N64.. but the Xbox One? Sorry those servers are offline now and this console is just a paper weight.

Microsoft is notorious for shutting down servers for old technology, with no solution and/or firmware update to make it work w/o.

But that's ok, PS4 will still work


@devexityspace: in 30 years, your 2600 will be over 65 years old. Other than for the novelty of it, i can't imagine the time you'd be spending on it (assuming it even works - mine developed the death rattle at about the 20 year mark) to be significant enough to justify this argument. Considering you can already play every atari game, ever, through emulation and can even get a usb "classic" controller... the only reason to turn the old one on is for the analog paddles, which admittedly, aren't as precise in usb/emulation. For the few hours per decade that you want to play kaboom... is that really worth having a platform preference over? Also - during the time that you owned the 2600 and n64, there was never a time where either was playable online, so that's a whole heap of missed-out functionality... all in the name of offline compatibility. Its kind of like those who resisted the change to fuel injection, from carbs, because it was just one more thing to break ;)


Don't get me wrong - there are plenty of other reasons to dislike the new xbox (and ps4 for that matter) - along with the move towards cloud gaming, required internet access, and etc... but it's also silly arguing about the requirement for an internet connection while using an online forum or chat board... via the.... internet... lol.

The once per day handshake (barring updates) will not push anyone over their capped connection.. it's a 64-256kb authentication depending on how many accounts you run and recent activity. Updates can be done via flash drive if needed (for those with said internet caps) and the whole system can be disconnected from the internet if desired, at all other times during the day.


@goatcrapp: Yes because the Kinect requirement/Always On/Can see in the dark/Voice recognition isn't enough invasion of privacy or a gateway for the NSA to see/hear whatever they want....

Obama: "Hmmm, every home in America will have a web-cam w/ microphone in their living room? I need to jump on this"


@devexityspace: like i said, there are plenty of reasons not to like the xbox, but the one being focused on is among the least of them.


I'm a retired "one of the troops" and let me say that this will, for sure, remove the Xbox One as a potential game system for shipboard and deployed use. The old Xbox was well suited for LAN play, and many games supported it, so there were some epic Halo multiplayer games onboard ships, subs, and in deployed locations. Current Xboxes also support (in most games) system link games.

Unless MS really starts walking this back they are going to lose many sales to Sony. They could have (IMO) knocked Sony out (Nintendo is doing a great job of killing themselves), but with this they really let Sony back in the game.


@wilfbrim: Firstly - thank you for your service. The point I was making wasn't to slight the members of our armed servies, but rather the system that puts them on remote deployments for long duration, with skipped rotations becoming more and more common. I'd much rather have our boys and girls home to play video games, than serving a third tour without any hint of relief and dying of boredom (which sometimes video games can help with, but more and more we're seeing this downtime just leads to soldiers (especially the younger ones) getting themselves into trouble

I have no doubt MS will back track on this - maybe not completely, but perhaps to a once-per month authentication. If you look at Steam - they went through several iterations of their DRM and online connectivity requirements - from very restrictive to their current "not so bad" model.


Since Microsoft silently got rid of the family membership (4 xbox live accounts for $99/year) I got rid of microsoft. Once my live is up, should be PS4 time, and that's where myself and a few other friends I play Xbox with will be...and by a few, I mean all.