questionshas anyone had experience with a remote spray…

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Cute pup !

Is the jacket for weather or fashion ? Wondering if the spray will hold up to cold temps. It's very very cold right now so that is on my mind.

Sound connected to unpleasant sensation can be a very good tool. Concerned about the reviews on Amazon. They seem quite mixed -- not for the training effect , but the device itself. Did you see where one person posted a modification to try keep it from clogging ? -- second one down. It seems like a bit of a crap shoot. Even w/ the lower price on Woot, it's still a chunk of change for an item that appears to be defective at least half the time.

As an alternative, have you thought of a couple sessions w/ a professional trainer ?

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I checked this with a friend who, before becoming disabled, was a professional dog trainer. She asked if I was nuts.

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@ceagee: Weather. He loves the snow and running with his fluffier brother, but gets cold faster. Hoodie extends his fun runs.

I saw the amazon reviews, and I noted the modification and the general consensus seems to be - keep your nozzles clean, which is doable. I hope!

The trainer idea is solid, but for my dog being... well, Loki. If he knows he's "working" I have his full attention, if he sees me trying to teach him something, especially with another person - he's super focused. It's recall once he's "off-duty."
Or, it's not enough of a problem (since it's only in our yard off lead) for my to shell out for a trainer to fix it. The collar can be supplemented with my last Deal Hunter coupons for $50, so the out of pocket cost is $30.

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I had a bark spray cover but it didn't work very well for my dog due him being a very hairy dog and the spray would usually just hit his fur. The few times that it did hit him he seemed more annoyed with it than anything and didn't seem to curb any behavior but that could have been due to it not being consistent enough.

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As you may recall, Simba was going to be euthanized for dog aggression when I adopted him. We went through two years of rigorous training under several different trainers to get this behavior under control (on leash, I will never trust him off leash, the aggression is too strong). One of the trainers had me use a citronella spray collar in conjunction with a spray bottle mixed 50/50 with water and white vinegar. He did respond well to the spray collar, which did a good job of breaking the chain of events where he would sight an opponent, lock on and then frenzy, sometimes turning on me when I corrected him (a scary thing when you are holding back a 140lb predator). The spray collar would activate as soon as he would start to rumble in his throat, not only distracting him but alerting me. In the end even the "positive reinforcement only" trainer agreed that I was going to need to use corporal punishment to put myself in the dominant position with him. (tbc)

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So in answer to your question, I did find it an effective tool up to a point. But the main thing it was useful for was breaking his train of thought and getting his attention. So if the problem is that Loki is so interested in what he's doing that he doesn't notice you are recalling him, it might work. But if he's simply being willful and refusing the command then I don't think it will. The way I established recall at home in the yard is "mom voice" and "command voice". Mom voice is a friendly, "come on, let's go in" and can be ignored if he wants, but he gets a cookie if he complies. Command voice is spoken loudly in a deep voice, "Simba come". He is required to immediately comply, even if he is very interested in something else. This was programmed in by giving the command, and when he did not comply, going and getting him with thunderous disapproval, physically dragging him in the house and putting him in a down stay for 5 minutes. He never ignores that command anymore.

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Sorry for the novel. One very useful thing I was told by a trainer in my online Great Dane group was to create a persona that your dog does not ever want to see. Distorted angry face, loud angry voice, sharp broad angry gestures, harsh overblown reactions to bad behavior. When your dog disobeys, that persona comes out. Most dogs will choose to obey rather than have to face your evil twin. That's kind of how dog society works, they are all fun loving and play till something makes them angry, then the teeth and the growling. So the evil twin method fits well with their psyche.

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@moondrake: I was hoping you had some insights for me, thank you! My goal is to gain his attention mostly. Once I have that, the 'tone' is pretty effective at getting the response I need. With Loki, it isn't loud or angry - it's disapproval that he fears. It us just getting him to focus when there. SQUIRREL!

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On an upside, the fear aggression doesn't happen anymore, and submissive urination is a very rare occurance. So, we are pretty happy with his progress! He is also happy, as he is allowed to play with our friends kids now - supervised, of course. :)

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@moondrake @thumperchick And other wootizens who have rescued problem animals:
I think it's wonderful that you have adopted "unwanted" dogs {or other pets} w/ "issues" and refused to give up on them. You have given them a loving home and the care & training they need to be happy healthy animals.
No domestic animal who acts out in aggression is happy. They became that way because a person{s} treated them horribly or neglected them. They need to learn they are safe and that someone is in charge that they can trust. Retraining is always so much harder than training.
Keep up the good work !

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@ceagee: Thanks. Taking in animals with some issues is very rewarding work, although it can be heart-breaking as well. With Simba the aggression isn't due to any prior abuse, other than being terrified of being stepped on or having things fall on him and his crooked tail he's never shown any signs of having been abused by his former owners. The only neglect he appeared to have had was obedience training, when I got him at 5mos and 65lbs he'd never been taught anything. He's just a straight up, no compromise, alpha male; always willing and ready to throw down with any adult dog over 30lbs that he feels needs to be put in their place. Fortunately he laughs off small breed dogs and is completely tolerant of puppies. But while I can control his aggression I cannot extinguish the source as it is just a part of who he is.

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I dont have any experience with a spray collar but I do have experience with an electric shocking collar.

I rescued a lab/pit mix, who is a jumper. She is very loving, but protective - and she loves to jump. I once had to pull her down from a 6' wooden fence because she jumped it and was almost over the top. My wife and I got her an invisible fence and we have not had any problems with it.

After she got used to the invisible fence she started to climb the tree in the back yard. The closest branch to the ground is over 6' high, and I have had to get her down from there before. So I got an electric training collar so I can shock her whenever I want. The collar also comes with a button that will just beep at the dog. It is the same tone as when my dog gets too close to the invisible fence, so she knows what it means. I rarely ever have to shock her, I usually just beep her. Not the most humane but an option if you just want the dogs attention.

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Good looking dog. How did Loki "adopt" you?

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@barnabee: They do choose us, don't they? His story starts with my older pup - Thor.

Thor was found tied up under a car, in winter in NY, with no food or water, with his sister - by friends of ours. They found a home for his sister, and took him home. He was small, skinny, mite bitten, and afraid of everything and everyone. Except me. When we came to visit he stopped crying, came out from under the bed and curled up in my lap for a nice nap. They loved him as best they could, but couldn't afford his care, so they asked if would take him. Like I could say no! He's my puppy soulmate. (I've had a few.)
Once Thor was healthy and over his fear issues, we decided to find him a playmate pup. Came across Loki in a plea for help on CL.
Loki's story in next comment...

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Loki (bonus pic)

Loki's original adopted parents loved him dearly and got him as a puppy. He got out and took off during Hurricane Irene a few years ago, and they couldn't immediately go find him. They never gave up looking for him, and found him several months later, in a kennel at an underfunded dog warden's shelter. Those 'people' at the 'shelter' had put him in a crate, and left him there - for months. He was sick, parasite ridden, and afraid of everything. The scars on his legs tell me he got in a few tussles before he was caught, too. When his owners got him home, they realized this now fearful and aggressive dog was too much for them to handle with a 10 month old at home. So, they sought out new owners and were honest about his issues.
When we met him, he fell in LOVE with my husband, sat on his foot and stared at him like he was the source of life itself. (TBC)

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So, he adopted my husband. He got along with Thor from the jump, and he loves me too.

Both dogs came to us fearful, aggressive, full of parasites, underweight, and more. Now?
Loki is 70lbs of muscle and curiosity. He loves kids - and will lie down oh-so-still to keep from startling toddlers, in the hopes that they may pet him and let him clean their ears.
Thor is 50lbs and has a compromised immune system, so he can't be boarded or go to the groomer, which makes him happy, lol. Other than that - he's happy, pretty healthy, and isn't afraid of people anymore - at ALL. He loves people, and places, and stuff.

They don't care for the camera.

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@thumperchick: Mine don't mind the camera but they hate the flash. As long as I have the flash off I can take pictures all day for all they care.

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@thumperchick: Your dogs are very blessed to have found you and I can tell you feel that way about them.

(My 3 dogs and cat are all rescues . I wouldn't have a pet any other way.)

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@thumperchick: Beautiful dogs, and a really nice story. I too, have two rescues, and I love them more than words can say.

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Just sharing Simba's new sweatshirt. He looks glum because I had to use the flash. It's what passes for cold here right now so I put it on him yesterday. It's a men's XL but it's a lot tighter than his old one, so I guess maybe he needed an XXL. Hopefully it will stretch out some. I found him one that says "Life is better when shared with a dog".

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@moondrake: I love it! He's such a handsome dog.

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@thumperchick: Your guys are gorgeous, too. Thor has a great smile.