questionsreturn of the wootbots of war. or, it's been a…

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There are too many duplicates and many of the "deals" aren't even good prices. @wootbot is no different from the "enthusiastic members" whom we shun as a community. Slap that restraining bolt back on.

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It's useful to have these data in the system for comparison purposes. @wootbot is doing us a service. Set him loose on other sites!

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@wootbot's deal harvesting is a technical coup. Let's give it more time and see what develops.

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Don't be so hard on poor @wootbot. I hear he was caught in a compromising position with a cheap Roomba and is being blackmailed into posting those deals.

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The result of this "test" seems to be that there are even LESS deals posted by the community. Perhaps they've been discouraged, or demoralized, or are just plain bored with it all. I'd like to see it stop, myself. I have more to say, but just this once, I'll keep it to myself.

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@shrdlu: While it does feel like there are less user-contributed deals as of late, I'm not sure if this is the (or at least the only) cause. Some other factors to consider are things like school graduations coming up, and therefore finals either having gone on or going on. (I don't remember how those things line up with the calendar, been too long.) That could mean younger members are too busy to contribute as much. If school is out, parents are now either considering vacation or making adjustments to scheduling. I know Memorial Day coming up has made work closer to a ghost town, with plenty of people taking at least Friday off. Though that's the most recent holiday I can think of, I know some people have taken longer off and made the best out of a three-day weekend.

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@heymo: So remember when we asked would you vote on an item because of who posted it (or something like that)? I will not vote for wootbot's deals, or anyone else who post result in folded deals (I think you know what I mean).

I think folded deals while good for the community, get lost. Until more people vote for deals lost in the folds. I will not. I got to protect my triangle color. Selfish sure.

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@shrdlu: Your observation resonated with me, so I decided to have a look. Much to my surprise, we're wrong! I used the advanced search tool to count the number of community deals submitted per week for the first 20 weeks of the year, filtering out wootbot and a bunch of known staff: prettywootprincess brutherford thefenst faughty loosecannon67 wootmango22 shawnmiller jumbowoot josefresno. In retrospect, I probably should have included some others (e.g. thunderthighs), but this will do for quick and dirty. My results? There has been a fairly steady increase in the number of deals posted over the course of the year, and it is pretty linear to boot (R-squared = .79). It would be nice to have more (and better) data, but I see no evidence that @wootbot has caused a decline in others' posting activity.

Hunh.

I still don't like it. And I'm getting bored.

@caffeine_dude: right with you on the folded deals. I'll vote for the topmost deal on a pile, but it has to meet a higher standard.

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@heymo: No, not number of deals, number of deals from non-vendors. The people who post deals just for the joy of sharing is the specific group I'm speaking of. I could list 20 or 30 people right now that have quit posting deals, and that used to post really fun things.

I don't care how many deals everythingkitchen posts. I don't even care if they post things other than from their site. The community I speak of is the community that also used to be more active on the Questions side.

@faughtey (hopefully you're not overwhelmed with cleanup elsewhere), could you please delete all the extra @heymo comments (the ones with zero votes). My guess is they all happened during the outage, when Deals was busy being a yo-yo, and before it just took the Mickey Finn and hid under the table for a while.

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@heymo: I even hesitate voting on the top of a fold as in 10 minutes it could be inside.

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@apfrehm: I have a little difficult believing school-related issues affect the quantity/quality of posted deals as much you posit they might. Are there any numbers anywhere indicating that significant a segment of users here are college students?

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The interesting, non-vendor deals seem to have decreased in both quantity and quality. I used to check this site before work, after work, and several times in the evening, just in case something interesting showed up in the 27 minutes since I'd last checked it.

Not any more.

We now have a gazillion deal-a-day vendors posting, individuals who think an acceptable post begins with a title of "deal of the day" and no further info, and nonstoppable cheap-shoe spammers. I miss the previous community of people who posted deals and questions regularly, many of whom apparently ditched the place when the "chat" tab was created.

It's been interesting watching my triangle go from black to purple to black, sometimes changing two or three times a day, but I've learned to let go of my triangle anxiety. Frankly, I find the wootbot stuff terribly tedious and generally not worth voting for, the inane questions are boring, and most of the deals uninteresting. Still, I hope for improvements.

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@shrdlu, @magic cave: You're both probably right. I haven't been paying as much attention of late (part of the it's becoming less fun factor).

But even so, the people whose recent disappearances I have noted could fill a whole "which wooters do you miss" thread. Please, let's not start yet another one of those.

[Edit] And as much as I hate to admit it, I've gotten lackadaisical in my deal hunting. Too much pandering, not enough originality.

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Well just for the record, @wootbot said the Roomba was a one-time thing and a phase!

Roomba used to have a thing for him in college but he's over it. OK?

Enough with picking on poor @wootbot, he's doing the best he can!

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limit wootbot to 1-3 deals per hour.

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@magic cave: I'm not claiming that college students are the most significant cause for it either, however it would make sense as a contributing factor. My point was that it is at best correlation, there isn't much of a way to show that the @wootbot postings are THE cause, and it is likely that there are multiple causes, from college students being occupied to employees having a three-day weekend, increased postings of lower quality that are by those looking to change their triangle color, and automated postings by vendors. Plus more I haven't come up with.

At least to me, it has felt like the number of interesting deal posts has dropped even before the @wootbot situation. Not that I have much room to complain on that, I tend to either not think to post a deal if I find one, or not have any deals to share.

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@w00tgurl: Please don't respond to spammers. As has been pointed out by staff, multiple times, when they come in to clean up a thread, then they often choose to clean up comments referring to it, also. No sense making extra work for them, right?

Just tattle (I just did, and I expect you did also, when you saw it).

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horror of horrors - -the PTB may feel that we posters, deal hunters (I admit to not seeing much to post about), commenters have fulfilled the original intent of the community?

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I would like to see you work on increasing the quality of "community" added deals on deals.woot . I've been pretty much trained not to look at them because the quality is so low, because they are so obviously manipulated by spamming companies with multiple memberships, and because some of the deals that consistently pop up with high numbers of woots are based on there being a photo of a cute model rather than a product that you'd want to buy.

Woot depends on lots of eyeballs. If you don't maintain a certain quality, you lose them.

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the current wootbot mass-update activity is some public sandbox technical feature testing. there are at least two high level strategic uses of this feature set to come that will be of the more obviously valuable variety.

props to you all that this stuff is so quickly noticed and discussed. having a real community to iterate improvement with kicks butt.

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@snapster: Wouldn't it be better if you had a community that hadn't wandered off to wherever the winds blew them? Wouldn't it be better if you had found some way to test things without also providing such discouragement? I see Fresh filled to the brim with random junk from random deal sites, and very little that's anything that any rational person would want to buy.

Sure, there are still a few that hang out, and continue to make the effort, but you cannot deny that the quality has been affected. It's too bad, but there it is. It is what it is.

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@snapster: You might want to expedite this awesomesauce new functionality. On my way in this morning, I passed a bunch of villagers waving pitchforks around a burning effigy of @wootbot!

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@heymo: Aha! So that's what I saw smoldering by the side of the road!

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@heymo: Oh really?

Where is this - where are those villagers? I intend to pay them a visit with my hired brute squad!

Nobody's taking out my sweet @wootbot. Over my cold lifeless body!