questionsif i get my degree from strayer university am i…

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"Strayer: At least we're not University of Phoenix"

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Be sure to do the research. You say "it looks like they are accredited." By whom? If you're looking for a degree as, say, a dendrochronologist, ask some practicing dendrochronologists what entity is the generally accepted accrediting body for dendrochronology degrees. If you need a degree from a school accredited by the American Dendrochronological Society, and Strayer has an accreditation from something like the Dendrochronology Education Association of America, your degree won't be worth much.

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A degree always has some value- even if it is not from a more prestigious place. Unless you are going into a specialized field, most employers won't care about your degree as much as they'll care about your work history and experience. Obviously, this means that your degree will mean that much more the younger you are/or the poorer your work history and experience are.

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You're only destined to never get a job if you aren't willing to start at the bottom and work your way up, sometimes. You just gotta be a little more motivated than the rest :) A degree couldn't hurt, but in the US's current state, not even a bachelor's degree from a state university entitles the prospective worker to anything.

It's a tough pill to swallow considering how spoiled we've been for the last few decades, but our grandparents went through it...

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IMO, your major is much more important than the college.

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At my last job, a degree from a bad university would put you on the reject list. They wouldn't even get interviews. If this place has a bad reputation, you might want to think twice.

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Avoid a for-profit college. They are generally expensive, will require heavy loans, and credits may or may not transfer. They promise the moon- certification, accreditation, job placement.. but generally don't deliver.

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/05/12/easing-the-pain-of-student-loans/control-reckless-for-profit-colleges

What you have to realize is a lot of these schools tout national accreditation, which is actually less rigorous and less prestigious than regional accreditation.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/schools/2008-11-12/battle_rages_on_accreditation_college_money
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_accreditation

My company is hiring, and anyone with Phoenix, Strayer, Herzing, or DeVry on their resume goes directly into the shredder.

Don't write off your local public university or community college. Many of them have night or weekend programs, credits will fully transfer, and they will be much more respected than a national for-profit school.

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Don't forget to mention that ITT resumes go directly into garbage too.

I semi-agree on experience, but.... decent degree is a pre-req. It wouldn't matter if your IT experience said you worked for CIA and Microsoft and Amazon, if my company didn't see that BSCS from a real university, that resume went into the garbage without looking anywhere else on the page.

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@oopsz: your company is breaking EEOC regulations. Application must be kept on file for a year. You cannot simply shred them....... or did you say that to make a point? @baronz also.

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What is stopping you from going to a state/community college? I know most of these for-profit universities advertise that they work well with people's busy schedules, but this day in age all colleges and professors will work with you if you're a returning student with a busy life. Not to mention I think everyone also online courses as well. Remember your success is the biggest marketing tool they have. Public universities will work with you just as much as a private one.

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@morriea: Can you cite this at all? I looked around but only found record keeping requirements for current and former employees, nothing for applicants and how long applications have to be held onto. I can see that most places would do this with good applications in the event that the person they hired doesn't work out. But for it to be a requirement doesn't seem logical with anything EEOC stands for. Just curious!

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@oopsz: Thanks, best contribution by a white triangle I have seen in a while! :)

Here is why I am considering Strayer...

I'm 25, only have around 30 credit hours but am starting to realize that I at least need a bachelors degree if I want to get a job doing something I like.

I am considering joining the Air Force. It is something I have always wanted to do but I want to commission as an officer as opposed to enlisting but I don't want to be 30 and joining. I want to join as soon as possible and Strayer seems like the quickest way. There is no way I have the time to take 4 classes a semester at a state school but 2 classes a quarter at Strayer is doable. A guy I work with is graduating in a month from Strayer with a Bachelors Degree after just 2 years.

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@baronz: We aren't hiring in fields that ITT grads are purportedly qualified for, so that hasn't been an issue. I'm sure it is in more technical industries.

@morriea: HR keeps an electronic copy of necessary documentation for EEOC/DOL requirements. I believe centralized recordkeeping is fairly common? Not sure why you assume that we break the law.

HR forwards a copy of applications for specific positions to our group manager for hiring decisions. And those with for-profit university education do go straight to the shredder.

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@justincredibleg: Hmm.. okay, I'll be honest, if we see someone with an honorable discharge AND a for-profit degree, we would consider them for a position. That may be the one and only exception, and it's because we a) know how difficult it can be for vets to find work and b) we want to support reintegration of vets into civilian life.

To my knowledge we haven't had an applicant in that specific scenario before.. I think all the vets who have applied with us have academy or state school degrees. I don't think the GI Bill pays enough per credit hour to cover for-profit colleges.

What you should also consider is, after spending a lot of money on your degree, what happens if you change your mind on an air force commission (or don't qualify- I don't know the specifics of military recruiting).

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Night classes at your local community college will be worth more. While it does depend on the field you want to go into, why put the effort a college degree takes into getting one from an online school?

Both your major and your college is important, though, and it's also significant to consider the program at the given school. It may be obvious that getting a computer science degree from MIT is more valuable than one from ITT Tech, but in many many other fields, the quality of the program within the school itself counts for a lot.

The college itself may not be very well known in many things (or be quite well known), but if it has a top 5 (or bottom 5) program in Engineering, that will matter to and be known by the industry. Likewise, going to a great liberal arts college to get an engineering degree might not be as good as going to a less selective school with a great engineering program.

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@eraten.":EEOC’s record keeping regulations require that “any personnel or employment record made or kept by an employer…shall be preserved by the employer for a period of one year from the date of the making of the record or the personnel action involved, whichever occurs later…."

receipt of an application is considered an action. http://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/foia/letters/2011/record_keeping_opinion.html

@oopsz: Electronic copies are fine.... I only mentioned it because you said they went directly to the shredder and if you do not have the electronic copy it is against the law. (Why would you even print it out to shred it?)

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Personally, I'd look at a community college first. They can sometimes be pretty accommodating with classes and schedules.

And, I'm not sure if you'd never get a job after going to a place like Strayer. I can only assume their graduates don't have a 100% unemployment rate.

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http://www.strayer.edu/about/quality
This page explains exactly how they are accredited. I don't know how much it counts for. Especially depending on what you're trying to accomplish with the degree, what field you're attempting to go into.

Also, if you can afford to, it's possible to go to a "real college" and not go full-time. You can take a partial course load and online courses are available.

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I would definitely look around and ask people in the field.

I know someone that hired for a relatively large company ( several thousand employees - it was a few years ago & the name escapes me ). We have a local 'Business College' that claims to be accredited... She told me that anyone that comes in with that college listed as their primary college experience is immediately removed from the list of potential hires. If they started there, that's fine, but if that's all they have... they don't want them.

This business college offers 4 year 'degrees' after 2 years because they don't teach or require anything except the business classes. No Gen-Ed stuff.

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@morriea: Not that it's relevant, but it's a combination of the fact that our office shuffles a lot of paper (fairly common in our industry) and various security policies. Our department staff doesn't have access to HR systems (they also handle payroll), so HR sends us paper files. Since job applications may have personally identifying information, they have to be shredded as they're discarded. Makes sense to me.

I was just stating the fact that for-profit degrees are the first to be discarded, along with handwritten resumes, applications from prisons (the two go together), and anything in comic sans.

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@kmeltzer: 100% unemployment rate is one of the things they mentioned in the brochure :)

@oopsz: haha, 'comic sans' made me chuckle. I'm currently the production manager at a print shop and we get alot of "creative" resumes

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@justincredibleg: You are in kind of a tight spot on this one.

First, what program in the AF do you wish to apply to? The rule on degrees is that if there is a requirement for a degree, they have to accept it from any accredited institution. If you want to be a Navy JAG then the law degree from the state school down the street is treated like the one from Harvard for the purposes of requirements. (Note: having spent 20+ years in the Navy, the women generally don't look anything like Catherine Bell http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Bell , sorry.)

That having been said, the services are required to take the "best qualified" applicants for any position. This is where the quality of the institution matters, and matters a great deal. I don't want to rain on your parade here, but I also wouldn't want you to spend thousands getting a degree which (in the end) didn't help you much.

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The best person to ask would be an officer programs recruiter in the Air Force. Good luck finding one, though. I'm going to give you a big huge warning here, please take heed.

If you call or walk into a recruing station you are most likely going to run into an enlisted recruiter. He/she is mainly interested in getting somebody to enlist. They will tell you "Oh, just enlist then you can apply for an officer program! Easy!" Do not believe this. Most enlistments will require at least 3-4 years of service before you would be allowed to apply for an officer program. At that point you are getting borderline too old. So please don't take that bait.

You may need to send a bunch of blind emails or phone calls. Eventually you may be able to find somebody who will give you a straight answer (or an informed opinion) as to the likelihood of your plan working out,

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@justincredibleg: they actually mention 100% UNemployment rate in the brochure...probably not the best selling point....and I got a laugh out of the comic sans, too.

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Lots of good state universities offer online courses too. I'd look in to those if you have to go online, your education will be better respected and as an instate resident you'll be eligible for in state tuition.

Look around and don't limit yourself.

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@justincredibleg: I retired as an AF recrutier in 2008. Don't assume that Strayer will be accepted for a commission. Credits accepted for enlistment are one thing, coming to the table with a degree from school of that type you'd be competing against bigger, better known schools and would fail to make the cut with the current limited commissioning opportunities.

After I retired I went to work for a for profit school...there is a reason I quit.

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@wilfbrim: While your point on recruiters is not completely accurate, you are right that anyone looking for a commission, who qualifies (US citizen, HOLDS a degree, etc.), needs to speak to a recruiter for that program.

Time spent enlisted, with help to achieve the degree, allows for age issues (in other words, someone that exceeds the age limit for original commissions has their time in service deducted from their age to make them qualified). In recent years, those with enlisted time (regardless of service) were ranked ahead of those without - simply put, they had already developed some qualities and had real proven records that put them to the head of the pack.

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@oopsz has some excellent points: pay attention to them.

One of the reasons why for-profit "colleges" have poor reputations is that they tend to charge high tuition, which most students pay for using federal financial aid (almost entirely loans). If you are not a full-time student, those loans must be repaid starting in six months; the interest rate is scheduled to go over 6% later this summer (unless Congress pulls its act together). The default rate on student loans among students/graduate of for-profit schools is very high because the jobs that one can get with a degree from a for-profit school aren't sufficient to cover the student loan payments. Student loan debt is non-dischargable in bankruptcy.

I just looked at Strayer's tuition and it is absurdly high: comparing tuition-to-tuition, Strayer's tuition is on-par with top private institutions such as MIT/Harvard. Tuition at your local community college will be MUCH lower, likely have night classes, and may offer financial aid.

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@justincredibleg: Have you considered ROTC? True, you'll be lumped in with the younger guys and you'll have to do school full-time (I think), but there are many scholarship opportunities available and most if not all ends up being paid for.

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Rule #1 of higher education: if the institution is for-profit, stay the hell away.
Most state universities and local community colleges have night and online classes these days. Your degree will be worth a lot more and your tuition bill will be a lot less going to a real university than a for-profit scam center. There's a reason laws have been passed specifically to address for-profit universities.

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I worked full time while getting my degree. I was able to pull a full laod and avoided these online for profit colleges/universities. I went to the city college, in Houston, I went to the University of Houston and had no problem getting my degree. For my core classes I went to Housotn Community college. All credits transferred and both institutions are accreditted by real respect accrediting bodies. And the bonus was that they were less expensive than devry and the others charging $500 a credit hour! Check the accreditting bodies of the online university, but after talking to employers and HR managers tht are family friends, the online degrees are scoffed at, go to a local college and you'll get more respect before the interview. Once you get the interview it's all on you and no longer about your college.

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If you do end up with a Strayer or U. Phoenix degree, whatever you do, DO NOT PUT IT ON YOUR RESUME. I used to work in an HR department and it was pretty much an instant disqualifier. You'll do better with no college at all.

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Yeah I'd say don't waste your money.

I got my MA from NYIT, which is technically a real school but not much of one, and it hasn't helped me in the job field at all. I'm actually considering taking it off my resume all together.

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Overall everything is tight as everyone above is saying. They look for reasons to reduce the applicant pool. Its very common practice to make wide sweeping cuts for anything in the beginning. Until you get down to a good number of applications.

But on the other note, I work for a State/County agency, and still have Civil Service laws in the HR Department despite political moves to eliminate them. One of the things I notice are Vets are given preferential treatment over non-vets regardless of education. (I am sure there is some balance, the IT department jobs are non competitive, meaning you don't have to take a scored test like other CS jobs)

We have a DeVry campus in town, and there are some graduates working for us, and I would say they do known their stuff, some have degree in electrical engineering, others in computer science. But many were hired before the economy took the turn it did. Its tough out there.

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@justincredibleg: Graduating with a bachelors in 2 years is just the kind of thing that makes these degree lack credibility, IMO.

If you are considering joining the Air Force, then like someone else mentioned, you should look into ROTC. Unfortunately, AFROTC is one of the services that does not offer full scholarships - perhaps you would consider the Army or Navy ROTC programs which offer full scholarships, book money, and stipends. All of these programs do require full time schooling as well as contract term commitments following graduation, though there are limited Reserve spots available. Your credits may be transferable and allow you to join as a 2nd year cadet.

As far as joining after graduation I can assure you that an online degree will make you very uncompetitive for officer selection in any of the armed services branches - especially today - they are all trying to downsize, and selection during some cycles has dipped below 10% of applicants (for the Army).

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Your local community college sounds like the best choice from this chair.

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Fair or not, I know several people who consider an online degree a negative aspect. Regardless of the reasons, a "real" degree simply carries more weight.
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@dmaz: "A degree couldn't hurt, but in the US's current state, not even a bachelor's degree from a state university entitles the prospective worker to anything."

About two months ago, I was listening to NPR (I believe the Brian Lehrer Show, here in NY City) and the guest mentioned that the unemployment rate in the US for people with four-year college degrees has remained relatively constant for the last decade at about 4%. (Meaning that the great increase in unemployment in recent years is primarily a problem for people without said degrees, though the person did acknowledge that those with college degrees might be under-employed.)

I intended to follow up on that story and track down the research but never did so. Does the above ring a bell with anyone else?

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Strayer University is regionally accredited. That's the best accreditation you can get. They're headquartered in the Washington, DC area, so they're accredited by the MIddle States, the same accrediting board as Princeton and Yale. Individual degree programs aren't accredited.
Despite this, a degree from Strayer is not as respected by employers as one from a state University, which probably also offers convenient class schedules for working adults. The smartest way to spend your education dollars would be to go to a local community college for the first 2 years of your bachelor's degree and then transfer those credits to the University of "your state." I didn't notice where you were located.

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Speak with an admissions officer at the local community college. Find out what kind of articulation agreement they have with the bigger State school. Ask specifically about the transfer of credits for the degree program that interests you. Generally all the credits from a community college will transfer to a state school. This is the least expensive and probably most convenient way to get your degree. Even though you start at the community college, your bachelor's degree will come from the University of Maryland, or Florida or Wisconsin, or wherever you live. And that's going to carry a whole lot more weight with employers in your community than a degree from Strayer or Phoenix or any of the other for-profits. Those colleges come with massive alum networks and all kinds of career counseling and job placement services. Use them!!

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It won't be easy, but when you tell potential employers that you earned your bachelor's degree from the state college, while working full-time and supporting a family, or whatever your personal circumstances include, they will be impressed. Good-luck!