questionsso if texas is granted the right of cessation is…

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Let us discuss the economics and military of Texas as an individual country. Texas right now is the 15th largest economy in the world, immediatly following cessation welfare laws would dramaticly change as there would no longer be federal mandates from DC. In EXCESS of 50% of all refined petetroleum comes from the Houston area. And last but not least Texas has it's national gaurd and reserves as well as almost 10% of all active duty military currently on Duty.
America would never fight other Amercians over Texas and as for you liberals that live in Dallas and Austin you might consider packing up and leaving the Great State Of Texas

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Heard a good radio bit on this topic a couple weeks ago. Texas won't secede. There's too much to lose:

Jobs: Government & military contracts go to US companies. Lockhead, Texas Instruments, and other companies would have to leave Texas.

Military: Goodbye to Ft Hood and other military installations and all the jobs associated with them

NASA - Houston: Gone along with all those jobs

Besides these jobs, how many large companies are going to stay in Texas and have to pay import/export fees to the rest of the US.

This article covers some of it:
http://redstatements.co/if-at-first-you-dont-secede/

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It seems to me that 15 states requesting secession, implies a major problem with our government. There are always presidential debates and there are always pissed off people that so-and-so became president. It's been that way for decades, it will never change. 15 states wanting to pull away from our government is a red flag. The US may own the military, but something like this could destroy the military also. What's going to happen if more states join the secession? Are we looking at a war within our own country?

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I have to say, I keep hearing a ton of people talking about how Texas seceding from the US would result in failure do to lack of government funding. Where exactly do you think government funding comes from? It comes from tax payers. Texas is the second largest state with the second largest economy. I think the tax payers of Texas can provide for themselves. The real questions should be addressed to crime. How will Texas handle criminals currently involved with federal crimes? Will they be let go? What about divorced parents who owe child support but live in different states, will the parent not receive child support because the other parent resides in another country (Texas)? Texas wants to recede because the current US government has all but destroyed the country (or so that seems to be the reasoning), so what about war? If the US goes to war with another country, will Texas back them up, or visa-versa?These are the real questions that need to be addressed.

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I am more than willing to move to Texas. It would be better to be in a state that is not under OBAMA control. You just watch what he is going to do the next 4 years. Freedom will be non-existant and our economy will be in ruins, as will our standing in the world.

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@zippy the pinhead: You only have two trigger fingers, dude. If there were a civil war again in the US, it wouldn't be a bunch of guys in uniforms marching in straight lines at one another through hails of gunfire. People's individual personal arsenals could make a big splash in their immediate neighborhood but wouldn't have much to contribute to the war effort, which would be fought with drones and other sophisticated technological weapons. And while it's a nice fantasy to imagine that Texas would get to keep the considerable military assets within our borders, the fact is that most of those soldiers are not Texans and would be exceedingly unlikely to participate in a secession effort. Plus all the states are dependent on one another for resources, they are not designed to be self-sufficient. Desert west Texas certainly isn't, we import most food and are dependent on the Rio Grande for irrigation, so we'd stick with the Rio Grande valley where we can get food and water.

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@wilfbrim: You have obviously never been to Montana or other NW states. We have more guns than people up here. There are so few armed/home invasion robberies they are actually unusual when they are reported in the news. All the bad guys know that they will probably be shot if they try anything.

Example: I am just one person with a Glock 19, Glock 21, Ruger 10/22, Mossberg 500 short barrel/stock, Raven .25 auto and Crosman .22 pellet. And lots of ammo for all of them. I am currently looking @ AR-15's, .223 NATO and possibly .50 caliber platforms for future purchases.
I am not a hunter or "gun nut', and also am not an NRA member. I just like to shoot and exercise my Constitutional rights. And I like to be prepared for the unexpected.

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IMHO it seems to be "much ado about nothing". As for the OP, woot would probably build another HQ in one of the southernmost remaining states.

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@thetexastwister:

He may not have come out and said it, but he sure did hint at it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5xTxcFA398

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I don't think the secessionists know how much more government they would need. Since most drug laws are federal, secession would instantly make tons of drugs legal. They would lose the border patrol. Those two things mean the cartels would probably take over the state in the first month. With connections to the interstate highway system, and two airports that are each the main hub of a major airline, Dallas would become the drug capital of North America.

With all medicare and medicaid money gone, the health of the population would plummet. With all other federal assistance gone the rise in poverty would bring a huge rise in crime. The first major hurricane would bankrupt the new country.

On the bright side they would go from 51st in education (behind all other states plus DC) to 1st (of 1).

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It would help education, textbook companies cater to the Texas Board of Education because they have so many students.

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@randy2126: You are greatly mistaken. Gov. Perry did not call for or suggest secession. When the subject was bandied about four years ago he was asked about Texas leaving the union and he replied in the negative. He stated that Texas would not leave the United States and that he did not support any such movement for secession.

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@ryanwb: It isn't a perfect comparison but I believe it is still valid. With the usurpation of states' right over the last 200 years, starting mainly with Hamilton and solidified by Lincoln, states have very little sovereignty left. As an example, look at the number of federal raids on pot shops in California (and soon Colorado). Or raw honey and raw milk, if you want a less controversial subject matter.

However, I agree with you and do not believe this is anywhere near a real revolution or secession attempt and people are just angry that their candidate, who is almost identical to the other candidate in actual policy, didn't win.

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@joshaw: Are you really going to compare Britain/America to Texas/America? America had no skin in the game with Britain, they were being taxed without representation. Texas has equal representation and is a full fledged equal member of this union and at present are just mad that their horse came in second.

This isn't even like it has any momentum, we're talking a website that any joeschmo with a computer can log into and say they live in Texas. What a joke

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"If any State in the Union will declare that it prefers separation with the first alternative to a continuance in union without it, I have no hesitation in saying 'let us separate.'" - Thomas Jefferson

Remember, the United States didn't have the right to secede from Britain either. Government always tends to totalitarian empire; never to freedom and liberty.

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If Texas leaves, the US will undoubtedly engage in a war to secure Texas oil interests and install a pro-West government.

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@xarous: 25,000 is not a quarter of a million. 250,000 is.

@purplefeather: Schools are organized and operated by states. Hospitals are private institutions (both non-profit and for profit). So, Texas seceding would have no bearing on their existence other than federal funding being dropped.

To the conversation as a whole: Secession isn't something that is approved except by winning wars. The constitution doesn't give states the right to secede, it legitimizes the usually necessary violent act it takes to do such. It would take a truly divided country and another civil war for any states to actually secede.

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@wilfbrim: We have concealed carry here in New York State. Careful. :) Oh, we like to hunt, too.

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Texas leaves I'm going back.

Woot should stay and secede from Amazon.

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@trekmiss: I think they would do well. Motivated people do well. They don't like the direction as 60% didn't like the country's direction but voted downhill anyway. Go figure.

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Actually, the numbers are over 20 states.

In the words of Monty Python, they're thinking "run away"!

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A number of years ago, Martha's Vineyard threatened to secede from Massachusetts. Hawaii said, "WE'LL take you!" Almost too bad it didn't happen. I coulda gone to Hawaii...

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One point people are overlooking here is that the petitions are filed on the white house website, asking for a response from the executive branch. However, the executive branch does not on its own have the power to grant secession (or really do anything about it in any direction). They might as well ask Donald Trump or Mahmoud Ahmedinejad, they have just as much power to do something about it.

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@trekmiss: There are various places we can send them. The US has large amounts of unoccupied territory across the world thanks to the Guano Act. If they're willing to mine our formerly strategic reserves of guano and eke out a living, so be it.

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As for the original question. I think it would be plausible that it would happen in reverse, Woot would move everything they could to Texas, due to the very favorable business climate.

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Texas can break down into smaller segments but as a whole cannot vote to withdraw from the union.

http://www.burntorangereport.com/diary/8425/can-texas-secede-from-the-union-no

This has been misinterpreted for so long.

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All your base are belong to us.

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@lll0228: The original was dollar per capita, but dollar in per dollar out is arguably a more useful metric.

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There are citizens from 15ish states wanting to secede, but not entire states. This is just a bunch of sore losers trying to get their way. I think we should send them out to find a new territory and form their own country with no help from the country they are leaving behind, and see just how well they do. I voted against the current administration, but this reaction is just stupid and childish.

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While I don't support it, I think Texas could actually do okay on their (our) own.

Texas' power grid is isolated from the rest of the nation. There are oil and natural gas reserves and refining plants for both so energy wouldn't be a big issue. Texas has a significant capability for food production, although some would still need to be imported. The gulf coast ports would provide ample ways to export and import goods. And it would be easy to import other goods through Mexico.

Provided the state got to keep everything in it's borders (which it wouldn't, but let's just say they did), they'd have a sizable military as well as the ability to design and build military hardware (particularly aircraft, F-16, F-35, Bell helicopters, etc, but other hardware as well).

There definitely would be other issues and I definitely don't support succession. But, overall, I think Texas could survive okay on it's own.

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President Trump and Vice President Nugent remind you that when you visit the Supreme Nation of Texas (SNOT) you will be required to show your birth certificate multiple times during your stay.

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@moondrake: I could see that happening...or maybe merge w/ southern NM & AZ. I know Tucson wanted to secede from AZ, and they would oddly become larger than half of the east coast and also gain 4 electoral college votes.

Then again if TX does go, it will balance the PR vote for statehood so we won't have any of those funny proposed flags for 51.

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You know what, if they can get the signatures I say cut them loose. Then how will they support themselves as a brand new country without asking the White House for help? They'd have no armed forces, schools, very few hospitals, and not enough government infrastructure to handle the transition without citizens rioting. They'd end up asking D.C. for handouts. In other words, a they'd become the very thing they claim to hate so much. Hypocritical.

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I can't wait until the hispanic population grows enough to turn my state purple (or even blue). All these idiots beating their chests and thumping their bibles have given us a bad name for long enough, and this secession BS is just so much childish nonsense I can hardly stand it.

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@cengland0: Yes. I believe so, it's the full Federal budget re-distribution.

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@xarous: I just...wow. I don't even know how to respond to that.

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@daughterjudy: As is El Paso where I live. It would be easier for us to secede, we are pressed up against the borders of both old and New Mexico. You'd just have to drag the New Mexico map line about 30 miles east and El Paso would be the largest city in New Mexico. It would be funny , though as the state of Texas, which has largely ignored and reviled her fourth largest city for decades, would seriously need us as a new Republic. With 38,000 soldiers stationed there, Fort Bliss is the second largest Army installation, first is White Sands Missile Base just over the border in NM. Plus of course El Paso has the potential to control I10, the Rio Grande, and a significant amount of rail traffic. El Paso would suddenly have enormous strategic value.

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remember, I predicted this in the flag thread earlier.

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@cengland0: Good point! If Texas secedes, the United States of America will want all that taxpayer-funded military gear and space gear in Houston repatriated. More trouble than it's worth IMHO. ;D

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@lll0228: But does that count their portion of national defense and other funding that is provided at a national level?

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If Texas secedes from the U.S., I'm starting a petition to have Dallas secede from Texas. We are a blue city.

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@figgers3036: It will be different this time. All you yankees have disarmed. We down here all have carry permits.

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@pyxientx: Just a little correction with some data (I am mostly just a data guy).

Based on 2010's U.S. Census Bureau’s Consolidated Federal Funds report, Texas is ranked 33rd State receiving the most federal funding per tax dollar paid. That is, it is not the State that contribute the most while getting the least. That honor goes to New Jersey. Texas is one of the very few "Lighter Purple" (I prefer that to just Red or Blue) States that get less than what they pay. Generally the "Darker Purple" States, on average, per capita get a less than what they pay, while the "Lighter Purple" States can get quite a lot more than what they pay in.

States like West Virginia, Mississippi, Alabama, Alaska, South Carolina etc got more than $2 per $1 paid in taxes. Honestly, that's worthy of Deals.Woot post. Where can I spend a dollar to get $2 while complaining about it?!

Just a slight factual injection. That's all.

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It was my understanding that its not that 15 states that want to secede, but rather normal everyday citizens (And perhaps a couple lawmakers) from various states upset over the election that want to secede. I do recall that Texas Gov Rick Perry (I believe) said the same thing after the 2008 election which made his 2012 presidential that much more ironic. I do hope that the citizens in Louisiana that want to secede remember how much federal aid they received after Hurricane Katrina ... actually every state that gladly took stimulus money and didn't complain should keep that in mind.

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@thedogma: Reports are 15-20 possible states. You see, each state must get 150 signatures just to get the option to get another quarter of a million signatures, just to get the possibility to be reviewed by the White House for the possibility of cessation rights. All this by the end of the world...I mean...the end of December.

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I might be wrong but didn't the case "Texas v. White" end with the Supreme Court making it clear that a Texan secession is illegal.

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