questionsdo you follow up after submitting online job…

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I haven't applied for a job in over 20 years but I am in the HR department of a very large corporation.

Also, I have hired and fired many people throughout my career. So, I have experience in this situation.

1. Always send a thank-you note after any and all interviews regardless if they were over the phone or in person.
2. Do not bring any gifts to an interview.
3. Do not bring your thank-you card to the interview. Spend a couple cents and mail it.

If you just filled out an application, no followup is necessary unless you're interested where your application is in the process. Some employers send out letters when the job is filled and you were not selected and others do not. You can ask if it's been filled already and that's okay.

If you're dealing with a recruiter, it's better to call. The hiring manager usually makes the final decisions so if you're going to be bugging someone, it's best to bug the recruiters instead of your potential boss.

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Oh I'll also add that when I said recruiter I meant the hiring manager at the actual companies I applied at -- not someone who works at a staffing agency.

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My instinct says that if they say they will contact you, wait to be contacted. I have a real pet peeve about people not following instructions (and I would not hire someone because of a lack of following simple instructions like this).

However, when finishing college, I was one of the last people in my accounting class to have a job lined up for when school was over mainly because I refused to follow up with the companies I interviewed with. Apparently, even though they would tell me that they would contact me, the people who called them to ask about the status seemed to be the ones they offered jobs to.

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Always contact them in some way... It's another chance for the decision maker to see or hear your name, which helps keep it in their mind!

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I would say that the first response is a polite "thanks, but no thanks" and I really don't think it would be useful to get in touch. The second response is interesting. Clearly the automated system encountered something in your application that suggests a human may be involved in further review. I'm not sure how you do a follow up in either case, but I would at least think about trying.

When I still worked, I think the term "recruiter" was only applied to folks that were looking to hire when they went to college campuses, or job fairs. I often did an end run around HR when looking for specific candidates with specific skill sets (including phrasing a job request such that only one human being on the planet would qualify, when we already had someone specific in mind).

It's tough getting past automated systems, especially right now, with the job market so tight.

I'm still boggled by the idea that someone would bring a gift, though.

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Having been a hiring manager, I found that nearly all of the individuals who followed up were the least likely to be successful candiates (there was a test psych type test that had to be taken upon submitting the app).

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@shrdlu: Today a recruiter has the sole responsibility of filling empty positions.

In my current job, I produce reports that tell me the number of open positions, how many have been accepted, how many hires, and so on. WIth the thousands of jobs that are open, we cannot expect the managers in the organization to do the proper hiring procedures.

The managers submit a requisition for a job and it gets approved and funded. That then becomes a job opening. We ask our recruiters to find candidates that are qualified for those positions. Once several are found, the recruiter may do a preliminary interview to make sure they have all the qualifications. Once the final people are weeded out, the list of potential candidates meeting the minimum requirements of the job are then sent to the hiring manager. They can pick any number of candidates to interview.

Once the hiring manager makes a selection, they give the information to the recruiter and a job offer is extended.

Continued...

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...Resumed

Unbelievably some people that accept the offer do not show up for the job and then the process begins at one of the previous steps. If they do show up, the job is marked as hired, the requisition is closed and then notifications are sent out to the people that applied for the job and did not get it.

Since most of the positions are filled by people going to the website and submitting their resume online, we can easily send out a bulk message to all the non-hired candidates. There is no need to send personalized letters when a single email stating that a candidate has been selected (and it wasn't you) and to please continue looking for other positions that you may be qualified for in the online system.

The standard government I9 process is followed and an associate may be terminated immediately for failure to meet the I9 requirements. In that case, the process starts over again. Can take months to fill a position.

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When we are looking for people to be telephone associates, the qualifications are minimal and the jobs can be filled quickly. They still need to meet minimum requirements, live in the correct city where the phone facility is, etc. In these cases, we don't just look for 1 or 2 people, it's usually hundreds and there are training classes that start on specific dates and those people must be available during the hours of the class.

When we hire upper management or technical people, those people are harder to find and could even take a year to fill. These are the jobs the candidate better follow up on. There could be a misunderstanding that you do not qualify because it requires that you know "JavaScript" but you didn't include that in your resume so the automated system didn't detect it and disqualified you.

So, some other advice is to customize your resume to fit the position you're applying for. Make sure you use all the keywords listed in the requirements of the job.

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@cengland0: Your advice is very good, especially the very important suggestion on keywords. On the other hand, I was in a very different industry than you seem to be. I just checked with a couple of friends, and it hasn't changed much. Many of the positions that people at my level, in my area, were trying to fill, were very specific technical positions.

We had people who were hiring managers, whose job it was to review resumes that were unsolicited, or that were sent in for positions announced to the public at large. Those people also attended job fairs, and similar events. Almost all campus recruiters were people who had formerly attended the school, and were "volunteers" (common campuses included Purdue, MIT, Cal Tech, Stanford, UCB, RPI, and so on). Almost all positions required a security clearance, or (in the case of students) the ability to get one.

Different world. Sometimes I miss it.

Then again, it's a beautiful Autumn day, today.

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Always. You should get a reply one way or the other.

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You should follow up, but not to ask, "Hey! Did you get my resume?" That's going to convey desperation and is simply asking them to do work for you that they justifiably feel they shouldn't have to do.

Instead, follow up in a way that demonstrates your knowledge of their company or industry. Use the followup as an opportunity to further display your value to their company. "Thanks for taking the time to review my resume. An article that was published in this morning's [insert publication name here] made an interesting point about [topic germane to employer]. I thought I should take a moment to let you know that I've worked with [something about the topic] extensively, and I would be uniquely qualified to help your company take advantage of [whatever new information was in the article]. Feel free to call me to discuss it further."

Of course, that kind of follow up takes a LOT more work. But that means nobody else is doing it, and the response will be an eye-popping, "WOW!"