questions19 votes, not popular?

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oh, and I tried toggling my own vote a number of times throughout the day since that was suggested in the past.

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I do not know the exact methodology but I would suspect it's a combination of not quite enough activity and a higher threshold for the sort of zero price "submit all your info in exchange for this free" deals we were inundated with a while back. It's possible we could dial back on that, if in fact it is the factor.. on the otherhand, I was pretty disgusted by the fake freebie stuff there for a while.

good and very timely entry though - I do agree the platform would have been better, had this made it up quickly.

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@snapster: Thanks for responding! I'm definitely among those who felt her(?) posting was popular tab-worthy.

I appreciate where @perkalicious11 is coming from, too, because it happened to me not long ago. My posting about Starbucks opening their wifi for free access racked up most of its 22 votes fairly quickly. But the activity tailed off as it descended into fresh tab oblivion.

(http://deals.woot.com/deals/details/faf43dc0-d118-497f-9a5c-1205c5cd2cc8/free-one-click-wi-fi-in-all-u-s-company-operated-starbucks-starting-july-1#5)

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It should have gone popular. I'd like to suggest that people make comments in good deals like this, to give it that added boost over to popular. Sometimes that is all it takes.

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@snapster: That makes more sense. I thought the deal was up against the deals posted in the same time frame, not the deals in the same price range.

If it's freebies versus freebies, that makes a little more sense, but my lip balm deal went popular with fewer votes in the same mount of time also.

Maybe it's just another one of those Woot mysteries...

@heymo: yup, same and correct to assume I'm a her. ;)

@faughtey: that could be, it is very light on comments. I think it's time had passed since it's been >24 hours, though. Or do they hang on for a while?

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@perkalicious11: It is not on the fresh tab anymore, it's gone. :(

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I've seen deals that have fallen off of the fresh page but that have made popular. There seems to be some magical place that deals go between the time they fall of the fresh page and the time after which deals will never become popular. Perhaps your deal is there now.

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@snapster is right. Since he's talking about it publically here I can confirm that this deal is an unfortunate victim of a tweak we made to restrict the amount of "free if you give us all your personal information" deals that were landing on the popular tab: http://deals.woot.com/questions/details/4a38af80-bfc9-4ee8-ad2b-4abb2b8ace35/is-it-me-or-is-this-now-freestuff-woot-com

They were hot and heavy for a while but (I'm sure partly because of the popularity algorithm tweak) it seems like it's toned down. I'll look into dialing back on that aspect of the algorithm a touch.

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@chris12345: thanks for the comment!

@hawnmiller: that makes sense, it was getting a little ridiculous for a while. Although I'd think there may be some distinction between no-name fly-by-night websites and more reputable ones. I suppose that'd take more subjectivity though. Is @chris12345 correct in the existence of some sort of deal-limbo, or should I stop trying?

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@perkalicious11: I hate to say too much because any information I give will likely become obsolete in the near future. It's possible for a deal to become popular from beyond the fresh tab (i.e. from activity that stems from a trending search term). It's happened before. It's rare. We'd like to see more of this.

However, without an adjustment to the algorithm your deal likely won't make it to the popular tab.

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I've actually suspected for a while now that freebie deals have less chance of making it to popular than the average deal. I do understand the reasoning... some people will post/believe anything. This explains a lot of my frustrations, as I've seen some of my freebie deals hit upwards of 40 votes before getting moving over. It's a bummer the kind of deals I gravitate towards have less chance of hitting the popular tab, but I understand.

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@chris12345: I've seen the same phenomenon, where deals fall off the fresh page, but reappear, ending up making it to the popular side... Maybe it's the "library" feature that keeps the deals that we've posted LONG after they're gone. People see something that is newer, and find a link back in the "similar deals" and vote/comment there, contributing to its popularity. I mean, you can look at some of our AtC threads, and they link back to convos from many months ago... Just a speculation based on an observation.

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@arosiriak: just because a deal or a conversation doesn't make popular doesn't mean it disappears completely from the database. Sorry I just had to say that. Search brings things up - probably why people complain about old deals being bad they do a search click on the top deal and find out it is expired. Also our own personal user tab contains all our past deals that are posted which weren't deleted, same for questions. Remember the internet is forever.

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This doesn't make popular, but a $39 million dollar yacht does. Makes you wonder.

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@sorensok: but the $39 mil yacht is attainable, and they probably don't ask for any personal information like your email address when you buy... [/sarcasm]

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In my opinion, your deal should have been featured on the front page. It's a great money-saver that is relevant to almost all of this site's users.

As it now works, I think Deals.Woot risks becoming irrelevant. I buy from the various Woots because the deals are great values. But I can't say the same for items identified as "popular" on Deals.Woot. Due to the constant promotion to the first page of routinely discounted goods (come on, a discount that is essentially standard across the web is not a deal), ridiculous yacht and plane postings, daily lingerie deals, self-promoting websites, and crap-filled mystery boxes, I find going through the front page to increasingly be a waste of time. In the mean time, good deals like your's get buried in the background.

At the end of the day, I find more and more of my time and money being spent on SlickDeals, where I don't have to wade through this crap. I doubt that I'm alone in doing so.