questionsan open apology to @metaphore

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Speaking for the non-scamming side of the community: We love and appreciate you and all you do @cowboydann.

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If this is true (which certainly seems to be the case after investigating: multiple associations even outside the world of woot), then @cowboydann has all the right to feel the way he does. What he does takes more patience and hardwork than we all know, and he does it for no gain to himself. He does it for the community! @Metaphore and @lazyzombie should be ashamed. People suck.

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Did you know that Metaphore has a brother? (It has been mentioned here.) And I'm pretty sure they are both gamers. Also found other postings on the big wide web where BOTH of those usernames have posted together. Based on what I have read I believe they are Brother/Sister and both live in the same house. I REALLY don't want to post links to the "evidence", but it is out there in plain sight for anyone who wants to dig a little deeper.

If you know anything about IP addresses (which is what IRC chat "masks" are based on) you will know that 2 computers in the same house will have the same IP address. My Hubby and Son also frequent several of the same websites that I belong to and at one time all 3 of us were posting from the same house, looking very much like I had 3 accounts. Luckily I was an Admin on the site in question and had no problems explaining the situation.

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I hope you will take the time to reach out to Metaphore and ask for an explaination before a guilty verdict is passed down, and please keep in mind that not everyone has their user settings set to receive an email when they are mentioned! I do, and even then I don't always get notified! @cowboydann if you would like a link to the other website, drop me a PM and I will give it to you. :-)

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It seems quite obvious from looking at how the 2 accounts post and vote for each other that it's the same person. /educated speculation

I hope this doesn't bitter you too much about being generous.

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@zuiquan: So that seems to be the case, Thanks for figuring it out. I knew something was up but I couldn't tell what. While I still feel it was a little underhanded to not disclose such information. I would have much rather them follow @Jezebelseven's lead and enter herself only instead of herself and her man, but it is what it is. Anyways, Upon further examination I did notice that LazyZombie did not enter the black triangle code, which leads me to believe it is legit. I don't want woot mods to delete the question, Instead I asked them to change the name to an Open apology to @Metaphore.

There was no rule against being opportunistic, but I'll definitely have to make more rules next time. Also I apologize for the language and namecalling. As I said, I was running on 3 hours of sleep and lost my head and didn't keep it civil. Add me on steam And I'll get you your games when I get home. Hope you'll accept this apology and hope to see you two in future wootchats.

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*sadly lowers burning pitchfork; heads back home kicking rocks.

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First of let me start off by defending myself. I started coming here when Metaphore showed me the website back in November 2010 when I was invited to her place for thanksgiving. After that, sparks flew between us (we met on WoW) and I moved from Chicago to Spokane and we began living together. I totally wooed her one day when I bought and gifted her a 4 pack of Albino rhino and Adequate Gift wine, while convincing her that we should move in together. (If you want evidence of different addresses I can provide them.) I pretty much check out Woot! a couple times a day for deals and things to buy, primarily shirts. We now have a large collection of the shirts and its pretty much all we wear around here. I mean I’m wearing the Forbidden planet/Futurama shirt right now. (Continued)

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Occasionally I get the idea to pop a deal up here and there, some to be funny, like the Weezer “Crab” song , others because “hey this seems like a pretty neat deal” (Chipotle, which Meta then informed me would probably be taken down as it wasn’t a proper deal, as it wasn’t the day of the coupon.) But all in all I’m not much of a deal.wooter like she is. I’m probably pretty passive especially to the forums(they can be addicting), but I do browse a bit, especially for pizza deals. I have held a black triangle once or twice but I’m not much of a presence, except for that clutch jewelry.com contest win (chicks like hearts.) Why we vote on each other’s stuff is pretty simple, because we are a considerate couple to each other. We like supporting each other, if this is wrong, then I’ll stop doing it in the future. I simply wasn’t aware if this was a policy or not. (Continued)

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I love everything Woot! When 10 (Pacific) rolls around I check out the new deal, even though I know it’s probably just another Dyson, just like everyone else does. I’m an annoyingly huge Kidfoot fan, and I can’t get that “pizza’s the greatest” song out of my head. I’d personally hate that a simple misunderstanding like this would hurt my views on woot and the woot community and vice versa. Although I must admit it certainly already has, right when I was starting to get interested in the community after a neat night last night. (Apologize for the random French and random convo starters last night.)

TL;DR We are different people, The community can have the games I won back, although It was the thing I was looking forward to most today. Venom being spewed, feelings hurt. Haircuts, waffles.

If you want evidence that we are different people. Just request what you want and I can deliver it
Sorry about the spam.

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As for the games, if people are that upset about it, I’m willing to forfeit my games (not that I have much of a choice.) Meta told me about the giveaway probably an hour or two before hand and it seemed interesting so I hopped into chat and decided “sure why not, I doubt I’ll win anything.” It seemed to me that there were a lot more games than people. I mean people ended up with 3-4 games anyway, so it didn’t seem like a big deal that we were both winning a couple games here and there. At the end it seemed like CBD was begging people to take them.
Now about the venom being spewed on this, I absolutely dislike it. I’m attempting to refrain from name calling and I’m trying to take the upper moral ground on this. But the look on metas face when I got home from class today made me assume that there was an angry mob out front about to burn her at the stake; it left me a bit fuming. When a community of peers turns on you it really hurts, a sinking feeling in my chest can attest to that.

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@Lazyzombie, @Metaphore.

I owe you both a bigger apology than I can fit in here, I'd like invite you to come back to chat tonight when I get home from work. I would like to talk to you for a few minutes over private message. Needless to say the whole situation was handled wrong, We're actually a very welcoming community,(the woot addicts that actually want to spend more time with woot people) and hate ourselves. Based on the evidence we had at the time, and the whole fact that none of it made any sense, I jumped the gun. Hindsight says I had your email and should have done that instead, but I wasn't thinking straight last night. I just saw two people who were very quiet and entering submissions seconds apart from each other, and the same HostMask. I hate to think I may have driven someone away from not only our chat but the entire woot community. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to apologize, but please come in, lets chat for a while.
Running out of room.

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Sorry people are trying to take advantage of your good nature. :(

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I know I'm not part of the Chat crowd (no time!) but would you mind if I chime in here before you get the Tar and Feathers out? I do have a TON of experience in rooting out trolls/sockpuppets on message boards, it was part of my "job" on two rather large websites.

Matching IP addresses (or IRC "masks" as you call them) ARE a piece of evidence, but as they say, sometimes the devil is in the details... I did a little digging this morning and learned a couple of things.

(cont)

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Anyways, You deserve a lot more, but I just can't say it here. Things are busy at work today, but please consider stopping by tonight. I'd really like it if we could talk for a little bit. I get home at 8:30 Woot Time and like I said I'm sure I wont be the only one apologizing tonight. Sorry again for any hurt feelings, pain I had caused. The games are yours to keep, you don't have to forfeit anything.

Hope to talk to you soon.

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Once again, no good deed goes unpunished.

In the end, I got royally burned with the traveling BOC I started here, way back when. It was only through the kindness & pity of some of my fellow deals members that renewed my faith in the Community. And they were nice enough not to say "I told you so."
It seemed like such a fun idea when we started: http://deals.woot.com/questions/details/ba0ba2e6-639b-491a-b374-6378ffa16ee5/so-done-with-mystery-boxes#174

#offal1 #offal2

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@raider9924: I'm really hoping for siblings, it was bounced around in woot chat a little bit before I made the post. Gonna have to wait. I'm going to get ready for work, so I might not be too active over here for another 9 hours

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Shoot I forgot I was editing my posts, I would have typed faster to beat the clock.

The prizes are currently in the holding pen, the mask isn't banned from DWChat, I'd like to hope it is a big misunderstanding, but like I said, when you see long trending patterns of voting together, and exlusive upvotes towards (and nobody else other than yourself) it gets really suspicious. I don't know what I'm doing yet, and I wont until I hear from one of the two.

I'd really like to hope this is all my imagination running wild, but I don't know. I just don't see how it can't be scamming free swag...If an apology is owed, I will create another question with a big apology, and I expect everyone backing me here to have my back at that question and help make it twice as popular as this thread.

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@cowboydann: I think I've found your answer. Looks like @lazyzombie is probably the unnamed boyfriend in question.

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Not really how I wanted to get known around here. Glad everything got sorted out. I wanted to thank the people that didn't jump on the bandwagon and took the effort to find the information and to some extent defended me.

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Regardless of what happens I don't think DW chat should be invite only.

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Probably just landed on the wrong square on the Jump to conclusions mat.

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Yay, a posse! And seconded with @moosezilla.

And yes, that is cheap and sleazy; no, dann, you're not being whiney.

Crap, gotta run. Off to work.

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@cowboydann: Still, one aught to declare something like that in future games. Glad you've gotten things unsnarled. Please don't let this dissuade any future good-deed-doings. It's been fun seeing you run around with your hair a-fire! ;)

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@raider9924: P.S.: Your new furniture looks great from the tree in your back yard! ;)

Fixed your post.

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Since this is a community issue, I changed the tag from "shill" to "community" to help more accurately represent the situation.

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@jimeezlady Good insights. Thanks for expanding my short-sightedness... What you have described seems plausible but some of cowboydann points about the timing of the posts do seem questionable.

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after reading this it scares me what could be figured out by this group based on my big fat internet mouth ....

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@djbowman: Hey hey hey....I take offense to that statement! We do not do anything like that around here!

P.S.: Your new furniture looks great from your front yard! ;)

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@djbowman: I like to think someone bored has very detailed files on us.

ps. How's my foil hat looking? I made it myself you know. (And of course you already knew that.)

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@wootfast: The part that hurts most is know I disappoint you. Sorry.

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If I could make a suggestion [assuming that the forum mods have the ability (hi @inkycatz?)], it might be good to clean up a few things around the forums to clarify that @lazyzombie and @metaphore were cleared so that folks aren't confused if they run across this thread in the future. I'd suggest deleting @cowboydann's last comment in this thread, which is only post in that thread which references this. I'd also suggest allowing @cowboydann to edit the opening question in this thread to include the information that @lazyzombie and @metaphore were cleared (e.g., rewrite it to say, "I didn't realize they lived in the same house, and when I saw that they were posting from the same IP and both won prizes, I jumped to conclusions. They did nothing wrong and I apologize...") That way, someone who clicks on this question tonight or in the future will see the resolution right away instead of needing to read the comments to learn that nothing untoward happened.

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@cowboydann
I want to apologize FOR lazyzombie/ metaphor because I know he/she doesn't have the balls to own up to it. I know allot of us are as disappointed as you are in their behavior.
Please know that your generosity and efforts are greatly appreciated by us all!

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what about THIS That's right just 20 days ago you were bravoing (is that a word?) @lazyzombie. What's your angle here @cowboydann? Are you a shill for the shills?

I've clearly been watching too much Matlock lately.

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@jimeezlady: It is just real suspicious that they both closed out in the last minutes, For the most part lazyzombie only said 3-4 words at a time, and looking at the chat longs. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt.

It just gets really weird when you see months of only upvoting one person, and things like that.

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@jimeezlady: I was going to suggest this as a possibility that it could either be brother/sister or a roommate. If that is the case then it could explain having similar tastes and voting for similar deal and upvoting each others respective deals. My brother is on here (tho far less active) and I have upvoted the few deals he has posted so I believe that could be happening.

I really hope that is the case. I felt lucky enough being home on a giveaway night for once that may have even been the last and it was a lot of fun in the room. I really hope someone didn't take advantage of CBD's unbelievable generosity because it would really leave a sour taste on what I thought was a fun night for all.

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@cowboydann: Next time one per household and at the discretion of CD. After all it is your game your prizes. Your time, your creativeness and your money.

I personally would not blame you if you error on the side of caution.

And no I am not one of the 'take turns for BOC crowd'.

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i am glad ppl weren't actually being jerks. (presumably.)
i was bugging @gatzby about deciphering things, but the community went & done it without us!

@cowboydann: i know you mentioned in chat that you might start pooling $$$ somehow for prizes. maybe an approach like that might deter such concerns down the road?
(i'd just hate to see community-driven games disappear....it's different when you guyez do it of your own accord, you know?)

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Boy do I feel like an ass.

Huge sorry to both @Lazyzombie and @Metaphore.

@CowboyDann and I are somewhat alike and love giving to people but have been burned in the past because of it. Being taken advantage of leaves a permanent scar so the slightest hint of it made us jump. I hope you can look past our assumptions as they have definitely made an ass of us both.

On the plus side, we will never question your integrity again so this could bring us closer.
(please don't hate me/us/deal.wooters)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnezPI_7MyY

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@lavikinga: I didn't participate in the Offal offerings, but I'm curious as to how you got burned by it? Never got a box sent back to you? Something else?

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@jimeezlady: I agree that they may be brother/sister, husband/wife, etc.. A few years ago, my roommate and I would be sitting next to each other but on our laptops talking in a chat room we frequented. Perhaps a PM to them would help solve this issue?

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Damn, you're telling me I bought the $5 rake and $5 shovel for nothing! How am I going to explain this torch to my boss now!

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as an added challenge I started a thread about my big fat internet mouth. I wonder if anyone else has been as forthcoming as I have...

http://deals.woot.com/questions/details/a4cfb029-b3f4-4125-901c-cad9e16ae25b/what-does-the-woot-community-know-about-you#3

@inkycatz

@raider9924

@rockytrh - No tree sorry

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@lazyzombie, @metaphore

We're sorry to have put you on public trial like this. We were in the wrong for doing so, and can understand that this was probably a horrible experience to go from having a good night in the chat to finding out the next morning we're accusing you two of being a shill. I hope both of you will be willing to give us all, and the Woot community, another chance! I'd hate to see good community members have to leave because of this.

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Well, I apologize for thinking the two of you were Brother and Sister! That's kinda creepy all things considered. ;-) Hope y'all can go back to having fun and let bygones be bygones! I'm off to await the arrival of my 9th Grandchild...I get the amazing pleasure of being our Daughter's labor coach again!!! Should be a fun weekend. :-)

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@lavikinga: That sounded like an awesome idea! What happened?

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@magic cave: As I recall, and I was part of the original Traveling BOC, that is exactly what happened. Someone got the BOC but didn't send it on. We were able to restart the BOC, it's not like we all don't have a bunch of C around, and so it continued but it was a disappointment that it stopped.

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@magic cave: @dupedyetagain: The last link in the chain of Offal#1 received the box and never completed the chain by forwarding it on. I guess Life's circumstances got in the way.
What bothered me more than my family saying "I told you so," both of us were very active here, I had hoped, at the very least, for an explanation, apology, something, ANY thing. Nothing was ever said. Live and learn.

On the bright side, I think the second box that was going out with a different list of people made it through to the very end of the game and the original sender.