questionsan open apology to @metaphore


It seems quite obvious from looking at how the 2 accounts post and vote for each other that it's the same person. /educated speculation

I hope this doesn't bitter you too much about being generous.


Speaking for the non-scamming side of the community: We love and appreciate you and all you do @cowboydann.


Regardless of what happens I don't think DW chat should be invite only.


If this is true (which certainly seems to be the case after investigating: multiple associations even outside the world of woot), then @cowboydann has all the right to feel the way he does. What he does takes more patience and hardwork than we all know, and he does it for no gain to himself. He does it for the community! @Metaphore and @lazyzombie should be ashamed. People suck.


I want to apologize FOR lazyzombie/ metaphor because I know he/she doesn't have the balls to own up to it. I know allot of us are as disappointed as you are in their behavior.
Please know that your generosity and efforts are greatly appreciated by us all!


Once again, no good deed goes unpunished.

In the end, I got royally burned with the traveling BOC I started here, way back when. It was only through the kindness & pity of some of my fellow deals members that renewed my faith in the Community. And they were nice enough not to say "I told you so."
It seemed like such a fun idea when we started:

#offal1 #offal2


Yay, a posse! And seconded with @moosezilla.

And yes, that is cheap and sleazy; no, dann, you're not being whiney.

Crap, gotta run. Off to work.


Oh, posse, do we get a dance number or something? Thriller!


I know I'm not part of the Chat crowd (no time!) but would you mind if I chime in here before you get the Tar and Feathers out? I do have a TON of experience in rooting out trolls/sockpuppets on message boards, it was part of my "job" on two rather large websites.

Matching IP addresses (or IRC "masks" as you call them) ARE a piece of evidence, but as they say, sometimes the devil is in the details... I did a little digging this morning and learned a couple of things.



Did you know that Metaphore has a brother? (It has been mentioned here.) And I'm pretty sure they are both gamers. Also found other postings on the big wide web where BOTH of those usernames have posted together. Based on what I have read I believe they are Brother/Sister and both live in the same house. I REALLY don't want to post links to the "evidence", but it is out there in plain sight for anyone who wants to dig a little deeper.

If you know anything about IP addresses (which is what IRC chat "masks" are based on) you will know that 2 computers in the same house will have the same IP address. My Hubby and Son also frequent several of the same websites that I belong to and at one time all 3 of us were posting from the same house, looking very much like I had 3 accounts. Luckily I was an Admin on the site in question and had no problems explaining the situation.


I hope you will take the time to reach out to Metaphore and ask for an explaination before a guilty verdict is passed down, and please keep in mind that not everyone has their user settings set to receive an email when they are mentioned! I do, and even then I don't always get notified! @cowboydann if you would like a link to the other website, drop me a PM and I will give it to you. :-)


what about THIS That's right just 20 days ago you were bravoing (is that a word?) @lazyzombie. What's your angle here @cowboydann? Are you a shill for the shills?

I've clearly been watching too much Matlock lately.


@lavikinga: That sounded like an awesome idea! What happened?


@lavikinga: I didn't participate in the Offal offerings, but I'm curious as to how you got burned by it? Never got a box sent back to you? Something else?


@jimeezlady Good insights. Thanks for expanding my short-sightedness... What you have described seems plausible but some of cowboydann points about the timing of the posts do seem questionable.


@jimeezlady: It is just real suspicious that they both closed out in the last minutes, For the most part lazyzombie only said 3-4 words at a time, and looking at the chat longs. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt.

It just gets really weird when you see months of only upvoting one person, and things like that.


Shoot I forgot I was editing my posts, I would have typed faster to beat the clock.

The prizes are currently in the holding pen, the mask isn't banned from DWChat, I'd like to hope it is a big misunderstanding, but like I said, when you see long trending patterns of voting together, and exlusive upvotes towards (and nobody else other than yourself) it gets really suspicious. I don't know what I'm doing yet, and I wont until I hear from one of the two.

I'd really like to hope this is all my imagination running wild, but I don't know. I just don't see how it can't be scamming free swag...If an apology is owed, I will create another question with a big apology, and I expect everyone backing me here to have my back at that question and help make it twice as popular as this thread.


Sorry people are trying to take advantage of your good nature. :(


@magic cave: As I recall, and I was part of the original Traveling BOC, that is exactly what happened. Someone got the BOC but didn't send it on. We were able to restart the BOC, it's not like we all don't have a bunch of C around, and so it continued but it was a disappointment that it stopped.


@jimeezlady: I was going to suggest this as a possibility that it could either be brother/sister or a roommate. If that is the case then it could explain having similar tastes and voting for similar deal and upvoting each others respective deals. My brother is on here (tho far less active) and I have upvoted the few deals he has posted so I believe that could be happening.

I really hope that is the case. I felt lucky enough being home on a giveaway night for once that may have even been the last and it was a lot of fun in the room. I really hope someone didn't take advantage of CBD's unbelievable generosity because it would really leave a sour taste on what I thought was a fun night for all.


@raider9924: I'm really hoping for siblings, it was bounced around in woot chat a little bit before I made the post. Gonna have to wait. I'm going to get ready for work, so I might not be too active over here for another 9 hours


@jimeezlady: I agree that they may be brother/sister, husband/wife, etc.. A few years ago, my roommate and I would be sitting next to each other but on our laptops talking in a chat room we frequented. Perhaps a PM to them would help solve this issue?


@cowboydann: Next time one per household and at the discretion of CD. After all it is your game your prizes. Your time, your creativeness and your money.

I personally would not blame you if you error on the side of caution.

And no I am not one of the 'take turns for BOC crowd'.


@cowboydann: I think I've found your answer. Looks like @lazyzombie is probably the unnamed boyfriend in question.


Is any one surprised that there are selfish, anti-social types in this world?

We all suffer for these "precious" few. I'd hope that the mods will act to ban this person. Plus all the fake accounts that serial proxy downvotes. It breaks and weakens a great community.


@magic cave: @dupedyetagain: The last link in the chain of Offal#1 received the box and never completed the chain by forwarding it on. I guess Life's circumstances got in the way.
What bothered me more than my family saying "I told you so," both of us were very active here, I had hoped, at the very least, for an explanation, apology, something, ANY thing. Nothing was ever said. Live and learn.

On the bright side, I think the second box that was going out with a different list of people made it through to the very end of the game and the original sender.


@lavikinga: That's a bummer, for sure. At least it only happened at the very end—it sounds like everyone else had a good time with it.


@zuiquan: So that seems to be the case, Thanks for figuring it out. I knew something was up but I couldn't tell what. While I still feel it was a little underhanded to not disclose such information. I would have much rather them follow @Jezebelseven's lead and enter herself only instead of herself and her man, but it is what it is. Anyways, Upon further examination I did notice that LazyZombie did not enter the black triangle code, which leads me to believe it is legit. I don't want woot mods to delete the question, Instead I asked them to change the name to an Open apology to @Metaphore.

There was no rule against being opportunistic, but I'll definitely have to make more rules next time. Also I apologize for the language and namecalling. As I said, I was running on 3 hours of sleep and lost my head and didn't keep it civil. Add me on steam And I'll get you your games when I get home. Hope you'll accept this apology and hope to see you two in future wootchats.


@cowboydann: Still, one aught to declare something like that in future games. Glad you've gotten things unsnarled. Please don't let this dissuade any future good-deed-doings. It's been fun seeing you run around with your hair a-fire! ;)


after reading this it scares me what could be figured out by this group based on my big fat internet mouth ....


@djbowman: Hey hey hey....I take offense to that statement! We do not do anything like that around here!

P.S.: Your new furniture looks great from your front yard! ;)


@raider9924: P.S.: Your new furniture looks great from the tree in your back yard! ;)

Fixed your post.


@djbowman: I like to think someone bored has very detailed files on us.

ps. How's my foil hat looking? I made it myself you know. (And of course you already knew that.)


*sadly lowers burning pitchfork; heads back home kicking rocks.


@wootfast: The part that hurts most is know I disappoint you. Sorry.


Since this is a community issue, I changed the tag from "shill" to "community" to help more accurately represent the situation.


i am glad ppl weren't actually being jerks. (presumably.)
i was bugging @gatzby about deciphering things, but the community went & done it without us!

@cowboydann: i know you mentioned in chat that you might start pooling $$$ somehow for prizes. maybe an approach like that might deter such concerns down the road?
(i'd just hate to see community-driven games's different when you guyez do it of your own accord, you know?)


Damn, you're telling me I bought the $5 rake and $5 shovel for nothing! How am I going to explain this torch to my boss now!


as an added challenge I started a thread about my big fat internet mouth. I wonder if anyone else has been as forthcoming as I have...



@rockytrh - No tree sorry


@pemberducky: Yeah, that was just a fun idea I was toying around with. The most Likely Scenario would be have people Pay 8 Dollars towards the shipping of their DOC (that still leaves 3 dollars shipipng and prizes for me to put in them) And that's the most realistic scenario right now. I still need to toy around with some other ideas, but that's where it's looking if I wanted to do a game next month.

I figure that would be fair, It's what wooters are used to paying for a BOC and I don't think I've put out a "DOC" that has disappointed yet.


First of let me start off by defending myself. I started coming here when Metaphore showed me the website back in November 2010 when I was invited to her place for thanksgiving. After that, sparks flew between us (we met on WoW) and I moved from Chicago to Spokane and we began living together. I totally wooed her one day when I bought and gifted her a 4 pack of Albino rhino and Adequate Gift wine, while convincing her that we should move in together. (If you want evidence of different addresses I can provide them.) I pretty much check out Woot! a couple times a day for deals and things to buy, primarily shirts. We now have a large collection of the shirts and its pretty much all we wear around here. I mean I’m wearing the Forbidden planet/Futurama shirt right now. (Continued)


Occasionally I get the idea to pop a deal up here and there, some to be funny, like the Weezer “Crab” song , others because “hey this seems like a pretty neat deal” (Chipotle, which Meta then informed me would probably be taken down as it wasn’t a proper deal, as it wasn’t the day of the coupon.) But all in all I’m not much of a deal.wooter like she is. I’m probably pretty passive especially to the forums(they can be addicting), but I do browse a bit, especially for pizza deals. I have held a black triangle once or twice but I’m not much of a presence, except for that clutch contest win (chicks like hearts.) Why we vote on each other’s stuff is pretty simple, because we are a considerate couple to each other. We like supporting each other, if this is wrong, then I’ll stop doing it in the future. I simply wasn’t aware if this was a policy or not. (Continued)


As for the games, if people are that upset about it, I’m willing to forfeit my games (not that I have much of a choice.) Meta told me about the giveaway probably an hour or two before hand and it seemed interesting so I hopped into chat and decided “sure why not, I doubt I’ll win anything.” It seemed to me that there were a lot more games than people. I mean people ended up with 3-4 games anyway, so it didn’t seem like a big deal that we were both winning a couple games here and there. At the end it seemed like CBD was begging people to take them.
Now about the venom being spewed on this, I absolutely dislike it. I’m attempting to refrain from name calling and I’m trying to take the upper moral ground on this. But the look on metas face when I got home from class today made me assume that there was an angry mob out front about to burn her at the stake; it left me a bit fuming. When a community of peers turns on you it really hurts, a sinking feeling in my chest can attest to that.


I love everything Woot! When 10 (Pacific) rolls around I check out the new deal, even though I know it’s probably just another Dyson, just like everyone else does. I’m an annoyingly huge Kidfoot fan, and I can’t get that “pizza’s the greatest” song out of my head. I’d personally hate that a simple misunderstanding like this would hurt my views on woot and the woot community and vice versa. Although I must admit it certainly already has, right when I was starting to get interested in the community after a neat night last night. (Apologize for the random French and random convo starters last night.)

TL;DR We are different people, The community can have the games I won back, although It was the thing I was looking forward to most today. Venom being spewed, feelings hurt. Haircuts, waffles.

If you want evidence that we are different people. Just request what you want and I can deliver it
Sorry about the spam.


@lazyzombie: :::hands on hips::: Do you two have any idea how much you worried everybody?

Gotta like a man who woos a girl with Woot wine!


@Lazyzombie, @Metaphore.

I owe you both a bigger apology than I can fit in here, I'd like invite you to come back to chat tonight when I get home from work. I would like to talk to you for a few minutes over private message. Needless to say the whole situation was handled wrong, We're actually a very welcoming community,(the woot addicts that actually want to spend more time with woot people) and hate ourselves. Based on the evidence we had at the time, and the whole fact that none of it made any sense, I jumped the gun. Hindsight says I had your email and should have done that instead, but I wasn't thinking straight last night. I just saw two people who were very quiet and entering submissions seconds apart from each other, and the same HostMask. I hate to think I may have driven someone away from not only our chat but the entire woot community. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to apologize, but please come in, lets chat for a while.
Running out of room.


Anyways, You deserve a lot more, but I just can't say it here. Things are busy at work today, but please consider stopping by tonight. I'd really like it if we could talk for a little bit. I get home at 8:30 Woot Time and like I said I'm sure I wont be the only one apologizing tonight. Sorry again for any hurt feelings, pain I had caused. The games are yours to keep, you don't have to forfeit anything.

Hope to talk to you soon.


@lazyzombie: Being fairly new to the DWC (only been a few times and only started this month) I could understand the few words spoken...I go the other way, do not speak much but when I do say a lot in 1 line. I guessed and hoped it was 2 different but connected people which in the end it was. I do agree that it was a bit surprising that people jumped to the conclusion seemingly early into the questioning.....but I can understand how it happened:

1. For CBD, stress and lack of sleep does funny things to you. He noticed something and ran with it when maybe he should have slept on it (it happens).

2. As you stated you support your g/f, which is great, the other guys supported CBD in the same manor, someone who they consider a friend. Instead of stepping back and thinking they defended their friend looking out for who they know. From playing full contract sports I fully get that. @wootfast said it best which is how those scenes play out.