dealshp p7 desktop pc with quad-core processor with 10…

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TEN GB of RAM? I didn't realize we'd reached that threshold.

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I have 24GB in my home PC. Virtualization, baby! (No, it's no an HP or any other brand-name, for that matter)

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I have 2 gigs and that is more than enough to play games released last week. Shrug.

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Features list radeon graphics card but specs say integrated... makes one wonder at the accuracy of the rest

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@kharmakazy: so you must be still using windows xp?

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This is why it has a dedicated gpu but also lists it's graphics as being integrated:

It's because the a8-5500 is an AMD APU. It combines a cpu and gpu into one chip, and delivers extremely good graphics for integrated (much better than Intel's integrated graphics). For example, here's a Skyrim Benchmark, this cpu should be between the 3850 and 5600k. As you can see, the games playable at medium settings at 1280x720, while Intel HD 3000 graphics aren't close to being playable.

That is the huge draw of the APU, you get OK graphics (still worse to even a low-end gpu like a 6670, but much better than any integrated graphics), without having to spend extra for a dedicated gpu.

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Continued because I ran out of characters...

Now, you can do a hybrid crossfire with an APU and a GPU (this just means you can have both of the graphics working together to be faster; this is usually limited to running two of the same GPUs, like two Radeon 6870s, but here you can run integrated and a discrete gpu at the same time).

However, I don't believe you can crossfire a 7450 with the onboard APU gpu, as this chart shows that the A8s are only compatible with Radeon 6570s. Now that chart only deals with 6450s, and a8-5600k, because those are available to the consumer, where the 7450 and a8-5500 aren't available, so information is limited.

Therefore, I'm pretty sure you'll only be able to use the onboard gpu or the 7450, not both. And I'm not fully positive, but I believe the integrated graphics are actually better than the 7450. This is just classic WTF HP for pairing that gpu with this cpu....

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I wish I could edit/delete comments whenever I wanted to... The above post ^^^ is irrelevant now that I have done a little more research.

So based upon the picture on the Woot page and it's product specifications, it DOES NOT contain a Radeon 7450 graphics card; which isn't that bad because I have also found out that the integrated 7560D graphics should be significantly better than the 7450.

I have also found out, that with this specific motherboard, it won't allow you to crossfire the gpu with the apu at the same time; so even if you wanted to, you couldn't buy and crossfire the apu with a radeon 6570. If you do decide to upgrade the graphics, you kill the APU's main strength, and then it just turns into a below average processor.

As for my thoughts on this PC, it's very good if you want to game on a PC but don't have a lot of money. Battlefield 3 might not be playable, but less-graphically intense games like Diablo III on low settings will be.

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I'd buy this. But I'm not in the market now.

Lots of RAM is great. I have a homebrew Frankenstein box with 16 MB. It would not run Win7 reliably. So I installed Linux which runs perfectly, then installed Win7 in a Virtualmachine.. and Win7 runs perfectly happy in the VM. I love being able to switch back and forth because I use each OS for different phases of my project.

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Can these handle a dual-monitor setup?

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No HDMI out :(. Nice processor, but as noted above, getting a dedicated graphics card (to add HDMI output) would greatly diminish the CPUs value

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What lithium battery? This isn't a laptop. Is that just a default disclaimer on every computer? APO restrictions suck.

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I can't wait until HP goes out of business and whatever contract Woot has to pedal this crap expires.

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@patrixmyth: Most likely the battery to maintain the internal clock.

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Isn't anyone concerned about this being refurbished? The last refurbished computer I bought from Woot, was a disaster. It's an ASUS with a hexacore processor, and almost everyone who got one from that batch had to send it back. Unfortunately, I didn't take it out of the box until after the warranty expired. Now I get BSOD a few times a day. It isn't the hard drive or the software...
Forgetting the integrated graphics, couldn't I just install a video card with an HDMI out?

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@czupik: Windows 7 pro. Playing dishonored now.

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@tonybanks: I'm not too concerned, because the processor was just released this past week. In fact, I'm befuddled as to how it is listed as refurb.

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@squidward: 16 MB of RAM runnings Windows 7 on a virtual machine? That has to either be a typo or a lie. I haven't had 16 MB of RAM since probably 1994.

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The three machines I run on a regular basis all have either 3 or 4 GB of RAM. I wouldn't buy a machine today with less than 4, might go with 6 or 8 even just to "future-proof" a little. I honestly didn't realize that machines with 10 or 16 GB were being sold. Guess I haven't been shopping around too much lately.

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@kharmakazy: My video card has 2gb's of ram (GeForce GTX 680 2GB). My system has 16gb's and it's a no name brand (because I custom built it). I just thought I'd through that out their.

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Sold out!
Oh well. I've been mulling this over and I guess I just took too long. There's been too many negative comments for me to just jump on it.

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@xxannan: Do a little research before posting...The AMD A8 processors are what AMD refers to as APUs, or a CPU and GPU combined into a single chip. They have the full Radeon cores et. al. plus a quad-core cpu on the same die. Since the GPU cannot be removed, it could be classified as integrated, but that is not entirely correct, as they can be COMBINED with certain other Radeon graphics cards to improve performance, and are generally much more powerful than what one would think of when thinking of a traditional "integrated" GPU. Now you know...