dealsdookie - cd - green day for $3.99 + free shipping

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Was this the last CD before they sold out, or the first one after they sold out? The jury is out...

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If you call making a living to raise your family selling out, then fine. They still rock their arse off and their song writing has only gotten better.

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Is this is the new Stiff Little Fingers?

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Sellout or not, I think it's better to listen to this album of Billy Joel Armstrong — then 21 going on 22 — b*tching about teenage problems....

You know, rather listening to 40-year-old Armstrong b*tching about teenage problems on their new stuff. Good album though and worth a couple bucks ... if you still use a CD player.

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I forgot Green Day was a band...oops

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@cjmoran: The American Idiot album was, without a doubt, a complete sell-out in comparison to the sound they started with. "Blvd of Broken Dreams" was played on pop, soft rock, easy listening, and even country music stations, for crying out loud.

The Dookie album at least has some semblance of punk, even if it was quite neutered and sanitized in comparison to what was called punk in other circles at the time.

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@lparsons42: You hit the nail on the head right there.

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If you can't find this used for less than $3.99, you are the most unresourceful person on the planet.

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Look at the cute hipsters, arguing about what moment their artist 'betrayed' them by outgrowing a niche.

Lame debate. Dookie is great (and $4 is a steal!). American Idiot is better (brash, tight, with a storyline nod toward 70's rock opera, political, some unforgettable riffs, and it survived on broadway). 21st Century is ok (by comparison -- most bands and songwriters would barter with the underworld to be that good).

To turn this constructive, if Green Day is sellout formulaic swill, who do you prefer now?

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This will always be the CD we used to test out the sound system in our truck. This was back when i couldn't tell the difference between Green Day and Offspring.
Can we elaborate on the term 'sellout'?
I frequently use/ misuse this term when talking about Green Day and Weezer.
What is the general consensus on the meaning?
Don't just quote the OED; i'd rather hear it in y'alls words.

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@wootfast: I apply the term sellout to describe musicians that significantly deviate from their original sound in pursuit of more revenue. Green Day is a classic example, as is Metallica after they cut their hair and released Load. In the case of Green Day in particular, if you compare Kerplunk to American Idiot you would be hard pressed to identify those two albums as having come from the same band if you didn't know so ahead of time.

Of course, in the case of Green Day the sellout was more severe in that they changed not only their sound but also their material. They started out as a punk band and covered the usual punk themes. By the time they reached gazillion-platinum level with "Blvd" they sung about whatever their label paid them to sing about.

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Say what you will about Green Day, whether you thing they are sell-outs or not, this band is the best live band I've ever seen. And good, bad, or indifferent, Dookie is now an iconic album, which everyone should have in whatever media is your preference.

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Ha, I bought this CD for $3 when I was in 8th grade. Solid investment back then even.

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@wootfast: I hate to admit I love sell out artist.
Defined: Artist who change to meet mainstream Pop charts

Billy C from Smashing P
Dave G from Nirvana. I admit it I love Everlong.
Metallica, not to sure if they stayed the same and the world bent to them, not unlike Nirvana. In the end Metallic individuals are as hats, and sellouts.

I have a question, anyone still buy CDs? I have this album, I want to keep it but the 500+ CDs, CDs take room for storage. If I ripped them all to DVD I would have a smaller storage needs and it would be much easier to restore.

I stopped buying CDs when they shut down Napster. (I was using Morpheus at the time.)

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@lparsons42: /Devils Advocate: what kind of line do you draw between an artist growing musically and an artist being labeled with the pejorative 'sellout'?

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@wootfast: That is a perfectly reasonable question. In my eyes, the difference between a band selling out vs a band evolving musically lies in how it effects their fan base and their media exposure. If the changing sound of a band alienates their original fan base then they probably sold out. If the changing sound reflects an experimentation (the Kiss disco album I would consider to be an example of this) and then the band returns to their original sound or otherwise manages to retain their original fans, then it is more an evolution of sound. Another example I would look at of a band whose sound has evolved over time would be the Rolling Stones (I can't believe I am mentioning them in a discussion about Green Day, but so be it) who are much less of a blues-rock band than they were when they started but they have nonetheless retained most of their original fan base (that is, those who are still alive).

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Really? REALLY? Let's not pretend that we understand artist's motivations. That's just a tad bit reductionist don't you think?

American Idiot wasn't well accepted partially because it was released about a year too early. Nationalism CRUSHED the CD and associated the song American Idiot with that crap the Dixie Chicks pulled over seas.

I love this CD and I loved the poster of it I had in my room as a kid. Green Day will always have a place in my teenage angsty heart.

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@lparsons42: I agree with you in a way; so many people say Bowie sold out — that's just a completely bogus accusation! Bowie was a genius who evolved, thankfully, and entertained multiple generations. Peter Cetera, to many, may have killed Chicago, but is modifying your art to adapt to changing cultures/tastes selling out?

I think the line blurs when bands like Blink 182 keep writing songs for tweens; Green Day singing about teenage angst. Is it selling out as it is adjusting your marketability to keep hitting the target audience? They're not growing with their audience; they're pushing the same [stuff] onto a new crop of kids.

Bands like They Might Be Giants write a ton of kids songs in addition to their regular tunes ... and if that's selling out, I'm buying — my daughter and I LOVE that stuff!

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This thread has been flashback city for me. Dookie, Americana, Enema of the State. I hadn't thought of these albums in 10 years.

Sellout or not -- I don't really care. I don't need to label it like that. Whatever term you want to use, there wasn't another Green Day album after Dookie that I'd want to own. Dookie is iconic. I still go into a mini 4th grade trance if I hear Longview.

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@pleepleus: This was my first reaction too. Awesome album, but seriously, $3.99 for a 19 year old album? You can get it for a penny (plus shipping) on Amazon.

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I wonder if I still remember every word to every song on this album...

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@wootfast: I dont really think Weezer sold out... Pinkerton was just so poorly received that Rivers had a nervous breakdown and quit music for a bit. When he came back, he became lazy with green, tried too hard with maladroit... Had 1 or 2 decent songs one Make Believe... and, idk, I havent heard anything newer.

Also... who cares if either sold out? Listen to the music you like.

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The problem with the concept of selling out is that it is largely based on intent. I think it's a bit dubious to base your opinion of something on someone else's motivations.

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@mavajo: The shipping on that $0.01 album is $2.98 so it's not a huge discount.

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"some semblance of punk" ??!! If anyone here thinks Green Day is or ever was Punk. you need to start doing some Google searching.

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Heaven forbid a songwriter actually matures a little bit, and doesn't write the exact same style of song when he is 30 or 40 as he did when he was 20.

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Hey all, if you want evolution... stick to pokemon! I want all my music to sound the same forever! I honestly don't understand that when a band makes a huge hit, why they don't just halt all other artistic thought and remix it until the end of time! How could they possibly make something better than hit they already have... and what's the point of even trying!? Thank god the music world finally has someone like Ke$ha who knows what they're doing. Have you heard her remixes... SICK is all I'm gna say. Green Day should have just stopped after 2000 Light Years away and One For the Razorbacks. In fact, I don't know why albums have more than one or two songs on them! A band should seriously be able to get there point across in one song and two if they have a lot to say. I'm just happy that my faves Adam Levine is out there fighting the good fight! It gives me comfort and helps me sleep knowing that there are still virtuoso's like Adam Levine out there who are known for there voice alone!

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GREEN DAY ARE WORSE THAN SELL-OUTS. They actually started as a rap or hip-hop group, first jumping on that bandwagon. Couldn't make it, then pretended to be suburb-punk. They can play their instruments, but they have no musical integrity. It's all about money, and how many teens will buy their tripe.

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I enjoy all of Green Days music. I know I will get a lot of down votes for it but some music changes because of the industry and the listening habits of the masses. Most bands will change their sound after being together and consistently releasing music for 26 years. Most people would become bored with a band that sounded the same and produced the same type of music after that many years. Hell even the "beloved" Beatles changed their sound and type of music over the years they were together.

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Although I don't have a dog in this hunt, I just wanted to say that I enjoyed reading this spirited discussion. Props to all for expressing their musical passions (and reminiscences) so eloquently!

Which reminds me, wouldn't this be the perfect evening to watch High Fidelity on the couch with your honey?

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@ediron2: Hipsters? My wife and my friends would be amused that you accuse me of being a hipster. I don't own any music from anyone who was nominated for this year's grammys and it has been a long time since Saturday Night Live (yes, I still watch SNL, and no I do not watch it "ironically") last had a musical guest who I had heard of. I just happen to remember what Green Day used to sound like, and recognize that it is nothing like what they sounded like on American Idiot

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@lparsons42: I hate to tell you this but explaining your eclectic old school taste in music is pretty hipsterish