dealsoxymoron cheesecake from cheesecake factory for…

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@ddfossett: Or you can just not read these comments and allow the grown ups to enjoy the adult conversation. ;o)

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@ddfossett: Or you can just not read all of these comments and allow the grown ups to enjoy the adult conversation. ;o)

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@ddfossett: Exactly! Enjoy your cheesecake :o) Ignore us ;o)

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OMGeeeeez, I just came in for a slice of cheesecake, beings it's my birthday and all, but I ended up stuck in the middle of a debate on healthy vs unhealthy vs obesity etc. If you don't like the show that's on, change the channel.

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@freyaw: How many times a day do you plan on eating that soup that it will last you a week? Ramen noodles are still cheaper. College students, single parents, and low income families are looking for the cheapest foods so they can keep the heat on and a roof over their heads. Not easy at minimum wage. At least not here where I live.

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@rfsmit: I'm sure the daily stops at Starbucks for the Grande Frappacino double shot of syrup with whipped cream doesn't help either.

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@crycis805: $5 worth of real food - 2 cans of beans, 1 can of corn, 2 cans of diced tomatoes, 1/2 lb ground beef, and packet of seasonings and you have enough soup to eat all week. And FAR more nutritious than ramen. When eaten in the correct portion sizes, most recipes will make several meals worth of food.

Most people seem to think groceries only make one meal and is therefore more expensive. When the grocery bill is divided by the number of meals it makes, the per meal cost is far lower than people think. And usually quite competitive or outright lower than fast food prices.

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@aliceinwootland
The study was also confirmed on rats.

They fed one group yogurt+sugar, the other group yogurt + artificial sweetener. The artificially sweetened yogurt led to obesity.

It is theorized that artificial sweeteners disassociate the taste of calories with actual consumption of calories, and because taste/smell is the only short acting method the body has to estimate caloric intake, you overshoot your eating waiting until your stomach is full. Plus, because you don't know how much sugar you ate, you body doesn't up its metabolism like it usually would after sugar consumption.

Edit: http://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/bne-feb08-swithers.pdf

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The cheesecake is "Too Damn High" and so is the rent.

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@rfsmit: [wrote some stuff]

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Ummm.... okay. "Jeez", I think? Did you miss that I'm advocating a healthier diet, and not more McD's?

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@dosquatch: Ever been grocery shopping at a farmer's market?

Jeez. You can eat healthier for less than a MacDonald's's burger.

The problem is ignorance and ... well, people who think they have to have meat at every sitting: obstinance. They swear by it, but you feed 'em a Boca burger or a TVP chili and they wouldn't know the difference. It's the fat and salt they crave.

Get off the animal fats, and Type 2 Diabetes evaporates. No shots. Also flavor makes a comeback, instead of it all being masked by grease and MSG.

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@dosquatch: Agreed. I think we can also agree that cheesecake is bad, bad, bad, but oh so good, good, good. We are screwed either way if we eat too much cheesecake. Regardless of whether it's fat free, sugar free, low carb, non-dairy, etc. Now, who said something about growing a cheesecake tree? I want some of that organic cheesecake!

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@kirazxm: how in the heck did we get on ugg boots?

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@float410: Cream cheese and butter have fat, not carbs. Sugar and graham crackers have carbs.

Fat has calories, but not the sort that cause a bad glucose response. No, those fat calories cause a bad CHOLESTEROL response. Different problem entirely :o)

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@zollars23: No no no... Cheesecakes have tons of carbs. I just made a pumpkin cheesecake this weekend and used two 8oz pkgs of cream cheese, a full cup of sugar and TONS of butter in the crust. For 4 oz of crumbs there was a half stick of butter. I think the crust alone was 1200 calories. lol...

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@mcogan1966: Its good for the soul darling. Good for the soul.

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@aliceinwootland: "Grow your own cheesecake?"

I'd buy that tree! Will it grow in the squarefootgarden @dmax801 suggests?

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@aliceinwootland: ...Yeah, because diet soda and obesity are also right on topic. Thanks for catching that.

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You'd buy less if you grow your own. http://squarefootgardening.com - You can grow an amazing amount of foods in a small space.

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@topshopgamer: That study is mind-bogglingly stupid. The obesity/diet soda correlation is more due to the fact that someone who drinks two cans of soda a day likely has a psychological addiction to sweets, little self-control, and is unwilling to significantly alter their diet to become healthy. The diet soda itself, aka artificial sweeteners, does not CAUSE obesity, good grief. And I realize you aren't saying it CAUSES obesity, just that it's linked--however, the sweeteners themselves are not the problem. The problem is--and continues to be so for almost all people with weight issues--moderation.

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@yessrinc: I'm betting, based on all the low-carb food I eat, that a lot of those carbs come from sugar alcohol and the like.

That said, splenda is gross. I can't wait until companies start using stevia and erythritol for sweeteners.

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@dosquatch: Darn it! Now you go me thinking about ramen nooddles. mmmmmm...Ramen noodles. Curse you! :)

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Here's the nutritional breakdown on the most popular recipe on Allrecipes. Looks like a lot of carbs to me.
Nutritional Information
Chantal's New York Cheesecake
Servings Per Recipe: 12

Amount Per Serving

Calories: 533

Total Fat: 35.7g
Cholesterol: 167mg
Sodium: 380mg
Total Carbs: 44.2g
Dietary Fiber: 0.6g
Protein: 10.3g
VIEW DETAILED NUTRITION

About: Nutrition Info

Powered by: ESHA Nutrient Database

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@darkdrag0n: Sorry, what you said is definitely the uneducated statement. You've forgotten that the more you eat processed, fatty hi-g foods, the more food you need because you aren't getting the nutrition you need so the body says EAT MORE!

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@dchase80: She's not a big'un, but she's married. Sorry.

All these folks talking about tight budgets . . . yeah, I understand completely! We're on woot after all! Deals on woot >rent>food. Amirite?

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@richellelander: No, I just have a low-level reaction to "fat american" statements :o) You're right on point.

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Speaking as someone who is on a low carb diet, most cheesecakes are fairly low carb to begin with. Not a lot of sugar goes into a cheesecake, and the graham cracker crust is low glycemic. If you can make a good regular cheesecake, low carb is easy.

That being said, this is horribly overpriced and is from a horrible restaurant.

Check their nutrition information, this is the only low carb item on the menu.

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Ah man, I was all excited about this until I read Splenda. That stuff tastes godawful if you're not used to it. I'm going to go ahead and throw my two cents into conversation now. Artificial sweeteners have been linked to obesity. Here's a study if you're interested in reading about it: http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20050613/drink-more-diet-soda-gain-more-weight

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@dosquatch: I'm pretty sure that was my point in the first place. Did I phrase it wrong?

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Biology does play a huge role in how well you metabolize those starches and sugars. I've seen people thinner than me eat twice as much. However, for the average American it's more about what's available to them. Not to say all rich people who can afford healthy foods are thin, but the obesity problem is higher in lower income brackets for multiple reasons. Biology, accessibility to stores that sell healthy foods, and cost. Produce and dairy product prices are going through the roof. Forget lean meats. Your getting the fattiest part of the cow for 44 cents a pound, because you can't afford the 93%. A can of fat free Pringles cost double or three times as much as the fatty kind. So in sum, the cheap stuff is the junk food. Eating less is a bad idea when trying to lose weight or staying healthy. Eating healthy foods is the best way to lose weight and remain healthy. There’s got to be some way to produce healthier foods at a lower cost.

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for example i can live off of $5 a week if i eat ramen, but if i try to eat food of any nutritional quality its going to cost me $5 a day. This is coming from someone who works two jobs and goes to college and can barely pay the rent.

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@mr2gts: You're only partially right. You can control a waistline by controlling calories. Weight Watchers makes bank on that. What's missed is that, when you sell inexpensive foods loaded with fats, starches, and sugars, it is impossibly easy to overindulge calorically without actually eating a lot of quantity.

That still doesn't change the biology, though, and dietically worse foods have a far more pronounced effect on energy levels and waistlines than the same amount of calories of dietically better foods.

Which was, and still is, my original point. Fix the quality, and quantity takes care of itself.

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It doesn't matter whether the food is healthy or not...it's all about the calories.

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@darkdrag0n:
Try making rent and buying all the really expensive "healthy" options

btw I believe most of these "healthy" options are bogus anyway, rule 1 of business, get someone to pay more for something you have been selling for years.

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@darkdrag0n: I take it you've never had to live on a tight budget.

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@darkdrag0n: I am serious. It is stupid, but not because it's wrong.

It has less to do with how much you eat and more to do with glucose response. Starchy foods spike blood sugar, which spikes insulin, which stores the excess sugar as fat. Cheap foods use lots of sugars and starches as fillers. It's biology and chemistry, dude.

Or have I missed the epedimic of obese vegetarians?

You wanna fix the obesity problem? Fix the quality of our diets, and quantity will fix itself.

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@darkdrag0n: Are you serious? dosquatch's point wasn't "Oh i can get 5 cheeseburgers for $5 so I'll do that instead of spending that $5 on something heathy" The point is that people who only have $10 or $20 to feed them for a week cannot afford to buy lean meats and produce so they're going to be less healthy than someone who can. Even if they eat LESS hotdogs and ramen, they're still eating hotdogs and ramen.

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Ew gross splenda no wonder its cheap.

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@dosquatch: Are you serious?!? You honestly believe most obese people are fat because they're forced to eat unhealthy food to fit their budget? That is the stupidest thing I've read in at least a month. Just because you can get 5 double cheeseburgers for $5 doesn't mean you have to eat that many to survive. If they really were short on money they would eat less, even if the food is unhealthy.

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Who wants to spend that much money on a partially eaten cheesecake anyways? The picture doesn't lie people!! :)

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@ceruleandragon: The time stamp on the comments is a permalink - you can copy and paste that into a tattle and the mods will take care of it

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@richellelander: No wonder Americans are fat. It's cheaper to eat unhealthy.

Ummm... yeah? What, you've never gone grocery shopping and priced Gwaltney Big 8 hotdogs and Ramen noodles against lean meats and produce?

Ever wonder why you can get a McD's combo for $6 but a trip to a salad bar costs over $10?

Why do you think obesity is more of a problem in the lower income brackets? If it's between eating healthy, or eating poorly and making rent, there's a lot to be said for a roof.

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Hey, their regular 7-inch cheesecake is 23.95, so NONE of them is a bargain!

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When my family went on atkins, my dad kept making these (mod edit: profanity) no carb cheesecakes. they are really bad.

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Still doesn't change the fact that they are pretty much the worst food on the planet.