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I have purchased their 300's for $5 on here before and i loved the few that i got
Later I got an email for their blu200's for $5 and loaded up on a few, less light but does its job well, I love these lights.

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You have to have multiples of 2 in the cart for this to work... if you put one it doesn't add on a happy fun free bulb...

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LED bulbs are only slightly better then CFL energy savings and are still WAY more expensive. They do last longer, but do not buy LED because you think you are saving a ton of energy.

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@drbayzball2002: I agree with you on the savings. LED has some additional PROS and CONS too:

PROS:
1. They do not have the same flicker that CFLS have. This causes headaches in some people.
2. Easier to find dimmable ones. The ones being sold today are dimmable.
3. They do last longer and are slightly cheaper to run.
4. Supposedly they do not generate as much heat and that might be true for the bulb itself but the drivers controlling them do get hot enough that you do not want to touch them if they have been on for awhile.
5. LEDs are instant on at max brightness. CFL's take time to brighten.

CONS:
1. They cost more.
2. The LED is more of a directional versus omni-directional light. LEDs are more suited for spot lighting.
3. These particular LEDs are at the 2700K spectrum. This is very yellow and I prefer bulbs over 5000K. I have several 6500K and they are my favorites.
4. Some electronic dimmers require a minimum wattage bulb and may not work with just one of these.

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Lowest price I have seen for led was $15/each while cfls was $1/each. Led may last for a long time but usually it's driver burn out first and some said theirs burn out about 2 years. All my cfls burn out quickest were 3 years.

So IMO cfls is the best bang for the buck. This is one of those green thing that spend $20 to save 2pennies.

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One pro I haven't seen mentioned yet is that LEDs lack the mercury content that CFLs have so you don't need a haz-mat team to clean up if one breaks. Depending on the manufacturer they can and will last longer than CFLs and are much more durable as well as more forgiving of constant on and off applications. CLFs tend to burn out faster unless you let them warm up and leave them on for an extended time as opposed to turning them on and off frequently. I've replaced all the downward pointing lights in my house with LED bulbs (bought on Woot sales of course).

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@cengland0: Very good information. Still seems the that LEDS are a more specific lighting solution. Such as a spot light, or if you have the flickering issue.
I do have to agree with ttm77 though about LED not lasting much longer if any longer longer at all and cost is 15x or more for less then a a dollar a year savings.
I just wish they were a little more clear about the energy savings.
They advertise LED as an 80% savings, but that is over a regular incandescent bulb.
CFL however is a 75% savings for 15x the price or more.

Bottom line. PLEASE get rid of all your incandescent lights bulbs and replace with either CFL or LED. The savings of over 75% is very good for environment and they will pay for themselves in savings. CFL will just pay for themselves sooner. If you get them for $1 you may pay for it in savings the 1st month.

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@evilled: More good points. If LED bulbs were to come down to a few bucks a piece I would definitely change over to them, but for now CFL is just more bang for the buck. LED bulbs are almost there, but they still have a little work to do and a better price to reach.

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Due to the hazardous materials in the CFL's i will not be buying them anymore, however with that said when they had the sales of those a few years back, where you could actually just get them for pennies or free, I stocked up and still have about 10 left. From now on im going LED and this for now is a good price. Hopefully when i run out the price will be even better.

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I now own 30+ Pharox LED bulbs of various varieties. I love them. Most of their products have a 5 year warranty. I had one with a problem and I filled out and emailed a simple form on their website and they emailed me a prepaid shipping label. I had a replacement within a week.

These bulbs are not directional like low quality eBay LED's. The light cone is evenly distributed in a nice half-spherical shape facing in the direction the bulb is facing. For this reason these tend to not do as well in upward facing fixtures as they project minimal light downward.

No mercury! That alone is worth not installing another CFL in your house.

Unlike a CFL it matters not to these LED bulbs if you turn them on and off a hundred times a day. You will not shorten it's anticipated lifespan by flipping the switch.

Watt per lumen these tend to be about half of the power consumption of comparable lumen output cfl's and about 1/5th the consumption of incandescent bulbs.

In for 4 more for me!

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Coming from a metallurgy background, I think most people overreact to mercury, and it's toxicity. Yes, it is toxic, and should be avoided, but not buying CFL's because you're worried about the immediate danger is a bit ridiculous. If you don't buy them because you're worried about the potential environmental aspect of mercury in the ecosystem, that's different, but you'll be hard pressed to find any adult without some mercury in their system. (The same thing goes for lead, and most of the other toxic, yet still used heavy metals)

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I have to disagree that LEDs don't flicker. They do, but not at the same rate as the CFLs... I know this because when I installed LEDs in my bedroom I noticed that when the ceiling fan was on I could do the old strobe effect you got on an old turntable for adjusting the speed... I could use the dimmer and slow or speed up the pattern of dots on the base of the fan.

So don't think they wont flicker, some do.

The other thing is that they do not last as long they claim, I've got various types of LEDs throughout my house and while some bulbs have lasted over a year and half and are still going strong, I've had some that died after a few weeks and others that have gotten noticeable dimmer... the key is how do you return them. The ones I've gotten at some stores can only be returned to the company that made them ad there are S&H fees that in one case made it less expensive to just buy another bulb.

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@thomas998: Pharox pays your return shipping. And those must be some really low quality LED's to have them failing that quickly. I have earlier generation Pharox bulbs going on 4 years with thousands of hours and they are working great. Pharox is a top notch company, not some cheap Chinese exporter.

As far as flickering it is unfair to use an improperly wired ceiling fan for comparison. Nothing other than lighting should ever be on a lighting circuit for that reason. It is not the light bulbs fault.

As far as mercury: I don't care if I have other heavy metals in my body. It is not unreasonable to ask for no more to be put there. I like the idea of trying to limit exposure to dangerous materials. There is more than enough cancer in the world.

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@thomas998: LEDs do not "flicker" unless their power supply is uneven. If you are seeing an LED "flicker" then you need to check your wiring or see if the driver controllers are bad.

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@cengland0:

CFL's haven't had a inherent flicker problem since when they first came out 20 years ago. Early lamps had a magnetic ballast (feels like a hunk of iron inside) which run at low frequency (flicker). Modern lamps have an electronic ballast runs at kilohertz frequency which is too fast for your eye to notice.

The appeal of 5000K-6500K versus 2700K depends a lot on brightness. When you're using a lot of lamp and making a room (like an office) really bright, then 2700K looks wrong and 5000K looks 'best'. If you're dimly lighting an area (like a bar), then 5000K looks gross and 2700K looks best.

I would also include cold-temperature as a plus for LED over CFL. CFL's used outdoors might not start in subfreezing weather. LED's work better when it's cold.

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@satyenshah: Okay, you got me on the flicker part for CFL's. I knew they had a problem in the beginning but didn't know they fixed it; however, people are still getting headaches from CFL's.

Some experts say that some CFLs emit radio frequency radiation that can cause fatigue, dizziness, ringing in the ears, eyestrain, even migraines. You can test to see if CFLs in your home give off such radiation by putting a portable AM radio near one that’s on and listening for extra static the closer you get.

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people complain about CFL's not lasting as long as they should. CFL bulbs are severely affected by cycling them on & off.

NEVER use a cfl in a bathroom or high traffic area were you are going to cycle them on and off repeatedly otherwise your not going to get more than a year out of them.

I have LED bulbs in my hallways bathrooms and kitchen. and that's were they shine. Most importantly in the bathroom where your only in there for a few minutes yet the light goes on and off 20 or more times per day.

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"Some experts say that some CFLs emit radio frequency radiation that can cause fatigue, dizziness, ringing in the ears, eyestrain, even migraines"

I think the only "experts" complaining about CFL's are Fox News and we all know they don't know how to do ANY research or have no capability to tell the truth about anything.

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@drbayzball2002: A 60 watt incandescent can be replaced by a 13-14 watt CFL which can be replaced by a 7-8 watt LED bulb of a good design (such as Pharox). I think 40% is quite a savings just over a CFL is quite significant.

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Not all LEDs are created equal as there are good quality ones (seems Pharox is one) and some real cheap ones that are well cheap (you get what you paid for).

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@xeryon: Mecury doesn't cause cancer
http://www.epa.gov/hg/effects.htm
It's a poison and all, but no cancer

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@orionantares: LEDs do flicker. There are even EPA guidelines for the rate of flicker for them to gain energy star certification. Don't yammer on subjects you know nothing about. Whether your able to tell if there is flicker or not is your problem. I can see it especially when I dim the lights to half power and it has nothing to do with the circuit, I can get the same effect no matter which ones are being used, I know because I tested it because when I first noticed it I thought something was wrong with the wiring... it was the lights.

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I am glad this turned into such a good conversation.
So there seems to be a lot of people worried about mercury so I will include a link to an EPA release about the mercury in CFL bulbs.
http://www.energystar.gov/ia/partners/promotions/change_light/downloads/Fact_Sheet_Mercury.pdf
If you don't want to read it I will sum it up. The mercury in CFL is very minimal. A regular bulb actually has 4 times the mercury impact as a CFL because of the mercury that is produced just to produce electricity.
Also if every light bulb in the country was CFL and disposed of at the same time it would still only make up 0.12% of the mercury put into the environment each year in the U.S. alone.

Anyone so worried about mercury that they would spend 15 times more for LED really needs to go to solar power for their entire home or should not be able to sleep at night thinking about all the mercury that the electricity in their home is producing.

Also there is absolutely no evidence of mercury causing cancer.

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So I have now spent hours today studying CFL vs. LED (had nothing better to do)
What I found is that to get an LED bulb that produces about the same light as a regular bulb the LED needs to be 13 watts.
Here is a good choice on Amazon. It is bright and half the price of most in it's category.

http://www.amazon.com/Dimmable-Omni-Directional-Guarantee-G7-Power/dp/B007YSDK8K/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1343161378&sr=1-1&keywords=led+bulb+omni

13 watts is also what it takes to get a CFL with the same light output. Here is the best deal I could find on Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/GE-13-Watt-Energy-SmartTM-replacement/dp/B000NISDNU/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1343161672&sr=1-1&keywords=cfl+light+bulbs

So there is actually no savings in electricity used, and the LED is 16 times more expensive in this comparison.
Also an LED bulb that is 13 watts is only rated to last 25,000 hours not 50,000 hours.
A CFL is rated to last 8,000 hours
so LED lasts 4 times longer but costs 16 times more.

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@drbayzball2002: Funny you should say that. My house is solar powered, hence the desire to shave every watt I can in every place possible. Being I am minimally responsible for toxin production by power plants I like using the less toxic LEDs to complete my contribution to your clean environment.

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@drbayzball2002: Those are some really janky LED's you linked to. You should probably compare apples to apples. Pharox's 800 lumen bulb uses 10w (I know, not a huge difference but you still need to compare correctly) And this one currently on sale is a 35,000 hour bulb, not a 25,000 hour

The joke here is that a CFL NEVER lasts 8000 hours either.

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@xeryon: Well I don't know what janky means, but I think I compared apples to apples very well. Was it not an apple cause you like Pharox? When looking at different LED brands Pharox came up as one of the least reliable. So I didn't look any further at them. Now like all reviews some people will get a bad egg and some a good one. Sounds like you have had good experience with them. I applaud you for using solar and trying to get save energy on LED too.
I am just trying to point out for the average person it is just not a good deal yet.
You are going to save 10 times or more using CFL right now. Hopefully LED bulbs will be in the same price point as CFL very soon. They just aren't there yet.

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BTW before buying bulbs online you should check your local Home Depot, Lowes, or other hardware store. Many power companies are offering instant savings of 50-75% off of CFL and LED bulbs right now. I just picked up 12 quality CFL bulbs for 80 cents a piece at Home Depot.

Again whichever way you decide to go. Please just stop using incandescent bulbs. 10% or more of all electricity used in a home is for lighting. If everyone used CFL or LED we would save 70-90% of that energy.

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@xeryon: I agree. I also have quite a few Pharox products, including their Solar Lights. They stand behind their products and replaced one of the solar panels, no question asked, when it was damaged during shipping.

I have quite a few of these LED bulbs, too, and as an engineer who understands colors (and the strict definition of color temperature and colorspace and the likes), the color temperature is only one aspect of it. It is not black body radiation, so the spectrum is very different from an incandescent lightbulb (which is how 2800K was defined with). This bulb has plenty of output in the blue part of the spectrum as well, making it not so yellow. It's comfortable for our eyes at home.

At this cost, well worth it. It does use less energy than an equivalent lumen-output CFL, by about 30-40% depending on the bulb (I personally tested it), and a LOT less than old-tech lightbulbs.

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A side note, is that LED fixtures like these Pharox bulbs don't emit any UV light. That may seem like nothing, but as I know of many people with Xeroderma Pigmentosum, they might actually be able to use them. Camp Sundown is less than an hour from me, which is part of the Xeroderma Pigmentosum Society (XPS) and for them to be able to provide anything brighter than candlelight without possibly harming their patients/campers is a huge hassle and challenge. If LED bulbs are guaranteed to have absolutely no UV emissions, then they could bask in the light without fear of bodily harm. A child with XP usually isn't expected to even live to see their mid-20's. I don't know of any other type of bulb that wouldn't harm them.
I've been told by a Mahar (the camp's founding family) that we'll probably see UV guards being put on the Fluorescent lights in schools and offices soon what with so many people concerned with UV exposure and skin cancer.

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@marcus6571: Why are people down voting your comments? Why? Because they are idiots in denial. CFLs are do have hazardous materials in them. Also, a light bulb will NOT affect the environment. People are such brainwashed idiots. Does anyone here have any idea what a volcano eruption does compared to ANYTHING we can do? ESPECIALLY light bulbs? You people are chimps. I do not classify myself the same species as most idiots on the planet.

You want to know why I buy CFL or LED bulbs? So I don't have to replace them often. Environmentalism is just cloaked Socialism which is just cloak Communism which is just cloaked insecurity by idiots because they wish everyone was equal but they aren't. You were born dumb. You will always be dumb. That is why you are poor. Your light bulb has no effect on the environment. You can not pass a law which will make you smarter. We can all be communist and you will still be stupid and your kids will be stupid. BTW, the worst polluters are communist countries.

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@mleejr: I find it highly amusing that you would get upset over a light bulb discussion. It does appear that you are personally offended by our general discussion on how to save money and electricity and I apologize if I inadvertently broadened your horizons.

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I've had a couple of this brand of bulbs, and can note two downsides to them. One, a model 700 IIRC, claimed to be dimmable, but after a few weeks it started to block IR commands from our TV and DVR remotes, and even activate these devices by itself
- it was getting hot and sending out IR pulses. The second seems to apply to all their bulbs: they have vent holes in them, and so are not good for dusty and/or insect-prone spaces like porches or basement, or attics. There are other good brands of LED with ventless heatsinks, and those work very well in porch and cellar fixtures.

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I certainly never meant this discussion to become any more then just that A DISCUSSION. I personally agree that not buying CFL bulbs because of a fear of environmental impact from the mercury is absurd. I however would not call someone stupid for thinking otherwise. If people want to buy an LED bulb because of fear of mercury then that is their right. I just wanted to let people know that the savings on your electricity bill from regular bulbs to CFL is huge. The difference from CFL to LED is very minimal and makes buying LED right now not worth the expense.
I hope that maybe somebody out there has read these comments and learned a little about the differences.

Like I said please change your bulbs to CFL or LED. Not only is it better for the environment it is also better for your pocket book.
Also look into your local hardware stores for instant savings going on for CFL and LED bulbs, or contact your power company about deals they are running.