dealshp envy pheonix h9-1350 h9 i7-3770 12gb ddr3 2tb…

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Ths specs aren't bad, but at this price range I start to get worried about buying refurbs. A early death to this would put you out quite a bit of money.

Also, in my opinion, if you really need something with this much power, you should be capable of building a machine yourself for a comparable (or cheaper) price.

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@justabandnerd: I'd also guess that you're a glutton for puns...

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Anyone know if this one has liquid cooling? Some of the H9 models do, but not sure about this one.

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It comes with Windows 8 so that no amount of awesome hardware can get in the way of hating your computer anyway.

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@kmartind: I don't belive it does. The intel h9's with liquid cooling normally top out at 16-24gb due to the cooler blocking the ram slots. Spec's indicate 32gb max so it probably uses a standard heatsink & fan.

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@pscof42: Easily worked around with any number of free or paid tools to bring back the Win 7 style start menu, or the full interface if one is so inclined.

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@pscof42: except for 'resistance to change', I do not understand the intense dislike for Windows 8 by some.

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It does have the liquid cooling I have the h9-1350 (32 max on mine), I like it runs smooth and very quiet. It also came with adobe elements photo shop and premiere. while I was reluctant of 8 it was a easy and quick learning process.

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I just dropped the price on this unit to $699.99. Feel free to buy one (or 3) now.

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quick question about it's video-out capabilities....it says HDMI in the specs but then no port is listed on the front or rear panels? does it have an HDMI out port? and what does "disabled" mean next to the DVI ports? probably stupid questions, thanks for the help.

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@mixmasterzark: It looks like they are saying there might be a DVI port on the motherboard (which would be for integrated graphics) which has been disabled (probably physically blocked to avoid someone accidentally using it), so you just use the HDMI port on the video card itself. I believe that video card should have 1 DisplayPort, 1 HDMI and 1 DVI.

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Looks like there's a more detailed specifications page here:
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?cc=us&lc=en&dlc=en&docname=c03518194#N634
This appears to actually be quite a good deal at the reduced price. The H9 is still one of their highest-end models and it seems to already have good cooling and a beefy power supply so you could simply drop in just about as high-end a video card as you like if you outgrow the HD 7670. Even that card should be more than enough for anything up to and including light to possibly moderate gaming, but you'd obviously want to upgrade if you're hoping to play the latest games on high settings.
The one drawback I see is the lack of a Blu-ray drive.

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Agreed on the ports. This has onboard video, which is disabled when the card is installed (it has its own ports).

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This is a GREAT DEAL at $700. It's like $400 cheaper than everywhere else. Everyone who thinks that they can build is cheaper can't do the math. I build systems all the time- even if you put on a pirated OS you can't build it this cheap. The CPU is $300 alone, add the cost of the Case, 600 watt PS, video card (equivalent to a radeon 6670 about$70), memory, motherboard, SSD 16gb cache drive, 2T 7200 rpm drive DVD writer + the OS cost. The I7 in this screaaaaams with a passmark of almost 13000 and the GPU has an 1104 G3D which is decent. If you have $700 and need a computer you need to pounce on this now!

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@justabandnerd: It's not about resistance to change. I have used all the iterations of windows,Mac OS, IOS, Android, Linux variants- I have no problems with change. I (and many others)have problems with what Windows 8 can't do.Windows 8 UEFI secure boot- can't install linux, no more mediacenter without paying for it in the regular version, missing Start (which MS knows was a mistake- the 8.1 release is bring start back), the desktop doesn't have the cool effects it had in W7 and Vista (it looks like windows basic), try and back -up windows 8 to an image...not quite the easy task it use to be in W7. The bottom line is that they should have kept the desktop side of W7 intact as is and just added the touch metrosexual tile interface on top- allowing desktop users to disable it if they choose. So it's not resistance to change, it's resistance to change that results in poor implementation of a new product that performs worst than it did before. If it's not broke- don't break it.

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This deal is great, if only I had the disposable income this would become my new dream machine...(after tweaking with it and swapping out the RAM of course).

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Whoever said you can build one with these specs for cheaper is including a 5 finger discount. I wish they would have taken the CPU a step back and the GPU a step up as that GPU will throttle the CPU in gaming...but overall? A GREAT deal. No matter how you slice it.

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So how much does the SSD caching drive speed up Windows? Can it be used with any other drive that is added later such as a 3TB drive to replace the original 2TB? How much of an issue to image Windows 8 and put in a larger SSD drive as a system drive such as 256GB drive?

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@cjsutherland: It is only a small amount more to build a better machine.

CPU - $290
Memory (16GB) - $100
Video Card (7750) - $100
Windows 8 - $140
Motherboard - $50
HDD - $70
Case+PSU - $50 (not from newegg)

Total: $800
You could probably build one cheaper; I just made that list with 10 minutes of hunting on newegg

So for $100 more you get all brand new components, 4GB more memory, a better video card, and the flexibility of making adjustments to get exactly what you want... like others have mentioned - the cpu is basically top of the line while the rest of the machine is mostly low-end components. You could save $100 or more on the CPU and get a better video card, or a full time SSD, etc etc

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Oops I forgot a DVD drive, mouse, keyboard, and a card reader. If you need those things then yea this deal would be better than building from scratch no question.

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@sharpjm: Show me where to buy a decent i7 motherboard for $50 and the same secret vendor that is giving you a case plus GPU/CPU reliable PSU for $50 total!?

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@sharpjm: As you stated that did not include the optical drive, keyboard, or mouse. I am not sure of the motherboard in this machine but $50 for a LGA115 motherboard? That is about as cheap as you can get. But a Case+600W Power Supply for THAT price? LOL.

Please share the site/place that sells respectable Cases and Power Supplies for even double that and I will be eternally grateful.

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Can someone give me the quick and dirty on what the 16gb SSD cache drive does?

If I wanted to swap the OS from the HDD over to a big SSD, would I have a problem?

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@gak0090: your ignorance seems to know no bounds. The Start Button coming in 8.1 is just going to bring up the Metro Start screen. Backing up 8 to an image is just as easy as ever. Any "cool effects" that are missing would be plenty easy to implement on your own if you were as smart as you are trying to come off as. Win8 isnt broken in any way. Metro is just dumb (however easily disabled), and so you too seem to be.

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@indetrucks: Boost startup speed, makes some applications run a bit faster and helps most common-used applications launch a lot faster. I have a 32gig cache drive and my Win8 machine boots fast as hell and everything in general runs smoother

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Everything I posted was from newegg except for the case/psu. The mobo I found has the same features listed on this deal. The case in this deal is nice but I assume the bundled 600w psu sucks too which is why I posted the price for the cheapest one I could find after a 30second google search.

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@stook: www.newegg.com

Not sure what you mean by "case plus GPU/CPU reliable PSU for $50 total!?" please translate

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@indetrucks: The SSD will mostly help with boot time, or opening frequently used programs. It's probably something like a 16GB SanDisk U100, 2.5" SATA and uses special drivers to manage the caching.
If you're planning to reinstall the OS I'd recommend picking up a set of recovery disks. If you use the disk creation program you might end up with disks that will only install on a drive of the size the machine came with (at least that's how it was several years ago).
Or you can use imaging software to try to migrate the installed OS. I've used the MigrateEasy free trial version in the past and there are several others, but it's sometimes quirky. Some programs will shrink the recovery partition to the point that it's 100% full and then Windows starts whining about how you're out of space, etc. Overall it's cleaner to reinstall.
Looks like the link to order disks would be: https://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/mediaOrder?softwareitem=D2V50AV&cc=us&dlc=&lc=en&os=4132&product=5296895

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Or take this bundle which includes a dvd drive and a 750W psu:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7834758&CatId=4149
Add a video card and windows for a total $850ish

Again, all new components, and flexibility.

[edit] oops needs a hdd too. add $70 puts it at 920ish so again if dvd drive is needed, probably the HP is better.

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@sharpjm: So you would use a $50 motherboard, and a $50 combo- case+ power supply and put it with an I7-3770 processor? Dude you must build some fine rigs. I'd love to see your car. A couple more things- this computer today has a Z75 chipset- so it's not a $50 motherboard. You also forgot about the 16gb smart cache SSD this computer has. Keep reading up, motherboards and power supplies are not where you want to skimp.

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@faaaaq: My ignorance knows no bounds... forgive me oh beautiful mind you overwhelm me. I'm sure that myself and the other 99% who dislike windows 8 just aren't as smart

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HP bloatware+WIN8+refurb? Dealbreaker combo right there.

Honestly, if you look at the specs alone, the price is great. But it is what you get in addition to the specs that kills this deal for me. Let me pick the OS, leave HP out of the picture completely so that I don't get nagged about something every time I press a key or move my mouse (or do nothing at all), and you could move these at the higher price. As it is, IMO it isn't worth the savings to have to deal with these particular restrictions and BS.

As far as the WIN8 vs. WIN7 issue goes, it is a similar thing. If you just look at the specs, WIN8 seems like the way to go. But when you look at all the extra baggage M$ piled on top of that in order to make it appear that a new version of the OS was even necessary (it wasn't), the value of the increased specs gets overshadowed by the increase in inconvenience and annoyance of things that you don't want, and can't easily change.

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@theroseknows: If you don't want HP bloatware, just reinstall windows when you get it and it'll all be gone. It's not that hard.

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@gak0090: Just so you know, this was originally posted at $800 or $900 (I can't remember which), at which point a cheaper system could be build fairly simply, and more to the specific needs of the consumer. I'd guess that most people wouldn't ever pair this processor with this video card, considering their in two different leagues, so they could decrease the price by buying a lesser CPU, or save some money by not paying for the substandard GPU and then upgrading to match what they'd likely desire.

Also, OEMs are notorious for using the cheapest parts they can get away with. As the Mobo and PSU aren't specified, I wouldn't expect them to be anything more than what's required. (You can eaisly find sup-$50 600W PSUs)

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@sleepy35758: Does this come with any software cds? My refurbed Toshiba laptop just came with everything pre-installed but absolutely no disks. Never had to re-install anything but always wondered how it would work if I needed to.

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@chado006: If it's like most of them it doesn't come with physical restore DVDs, but it has the recovery files on a special partition on the hard drive so you can do a factory restore directly from there if the hard drive is still OK (usually by pressing a particular Function key when powering on). You can also use a program that comes with it to burn your own set of restore disks to be used if the hard drive fails or is upgraded. I've found sometimes that tool creates disks that won't install to a smaller drive though, which makes it problematic to use them to reinstall on the OS on a new SSD that is smaller than the original hard drive. So, burning those probably makes sense, but in addition you might want to order a set of official recovery disks from the manufacturer (I posted what appears to be the restore disk order link for this model several posts up, but you need to know the system's serial number to order them).

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Oh, and in most cases if there's some program on there you don't want, it's as simple as just going to control panel and uninstalling it. Should be relatively quick and painless and save a lot of hassle with drivers and such compared to going to all the trouble of installing your own version of Windows from a standard Windows DVD.

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@sharpjm: The fact you need that sentence translated telsl me more than I need to know.

But, because you asked "case plus GPU/CPU reliable PSU for $50 total!?" means "case plus a power supply (PSU) that is reliable to run that graphics card (GPU) and that computer processor (CPU)."

I could have been, like you, and used LMGTFY to try and help my drive my point home...but I decided not to be as disrespectful as you.

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@chado006: You can create one back up dvd with any computer you buy with windows pre-installed. It will only allow you to create one back up disk just in case your HD crashes, if you lose or damage you will have to call and pay for one to be mailed from computer manufacturer. You can find this under maintenance. You will usually need 5 or more dvds. This saves manufacturers thousands of dollars but we still pay $600+ for computer and receive no screen or printer and rave about a deal?! On top of this they most likely cut jobs for majority of these companies to save $ and still raise prices? What will happen once they are forced to increase minimum wage?! Non the less seems to be good deal relative to current time and prices.

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Naturally, I just ordered $500 of components to build my own computer, then this comes up. CURSE YOU, WOOT!

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@thiney49: I don't think you've built that many systems (or worked on many OEMs), because what you're saying is simplistic and the other part is plain wrong. I get that you can customize systems- but when you can have this system for $700 as is why build it? If you need an I7 you are probably a power user and in most cases not a serious gamer- hence this configuration is pretty ideal. What you said about OEM parts as being the "cheapest" you can get is not really true. The reason they are cheap is because they are manufactured and bought in bulk to fulfill contracts. Even the crap 300 watt HP and Dell power supplies have heft to them and are relatively well built with clean consistent power (just not very powerful). The motherboard this has in it (if you bothered to check the specs) has a Z75 chipset which you will not find on a $50 motherboard. It does not pay for OEMs to use the cheapest (quality-wise) parts because the cost savings would not overcome the support and replacement cost