dealscraftsman 56-piece universal mechanics tool set…

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Because it matters to me, I'd thought people should know that the universal sets are NOT made in the USA.

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I would purchase this if it was made in the USA. To bad for Sears.

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Is this really that awesome of a deal?

As a general rule, I don't take notice of a hand tools deal until it hits the 1:1 dollar to tool ratio.

(I emphasize general rule since these sets can sometimes have a bunch of bits and hex keys that can throw off the value)

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Just out of curiosity, what are people's general motivations to buy tools that are made in the USA vs ones that are not?

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Nationalism.
Actually, these look better than the US-made wrenches.
but it's a cheap ploy to throw in some hex wrenches to up the count. Subtract those when figuring price/tool.

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@ghost650: And how many of them would stick to that if the deal was just a bit better?

BTW the Father-in-Law has this set of wrenches and we both love using them. Craftsman is the best.

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The Design looks like it would ride the corners of most hex fasteners... I like my knuckles.... so I'll pass.

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@ghost650: A lot of times outsourcing production seems to come with a decrease in the quality of a product. I imagine it's more due to manufacturer's looking to maximize their savings (by methods other than just cheaper labor) versus non-Americans being unable to make a quality product.

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all those who decided NOT to buy this because it was made in China (or any non-USA location)...
I hope you (1) return the smartphone you're using, (2) return that TV you're watching, (3) return that game console you play, (4) return that computer you bought, (5) check your shoes?, (6) check most of your shirts?, (7) often your gasoline is sometimes imported, (8) even if your car is Chevy, Ford, Dodge - umm, please check that it was built in USA, and if it was USA, please check all parts in that car.

I have USA pride too - but if we don't fix ourselves (ie. thinking we deserve $80/hour to make tools) then most things are going to come from overseas.

BTW - i bought 2 :)

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@ibbleschitz: Contrary to what some believe, 12-point sockets don't round, at least no more than 6-sided sockets will. Rounding, or a lack of grip, means using a size too large.

I personally use 12-point metric exclusively. Having all 1 mm differences means I can tote a minimum number of sockets for any size, any shape. Unlike 6-sided sockets, 12-point can grip rounded hexagonal if you go down a size or two.

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@arnolddu: I hope you never shop at Wal-Mart then. Oh you do?

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It's not just about Nationalism. I use the the best quality products for the best price. If China puts out a cheaper smart phone that is higher in quality then I'll use that smart phone. The fact is that Chinese steel is known for having lots of impurities and a lower hardness, density and strength than American steel.

Try this for yourself. Get a wrench made in the USA and one made in China, then drag a metal file across it one time. See which one has the deeper groove. I've shown this to friends and every time the Chinese steel loses.

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Chrome Vanadium is CV regardless of where it comes from. I think quality control or rather the lack there of is usually the problem with mass produced Chinese product. That and re-badging or cloning. You never can tell what you are going to get.

USA used to represent pride in workmanship and that went a long way, especially when it came to manufacturing. Now I'm not so sure. There is still a lot of CRAP made here as well. Its a bummer. I covet my Dad's and Grandfather's hand tools. They never let me down. Craftsman and USA are stamped on most of them. And all of them are better than anything you get today. Regardless of where it comes from

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@eidelbus: the Universal sockets here though look to be most excellent for rounding. Most of my combination wrenches are 12pt, but sockets, I prefer a 6 Point. reduces tool slippage immensely and when applying torque, will never let you down.

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@ibbleschitz: Why would they round? As long as you use the correct size, 12-point won't round any more than using 6-point. I've never been let down by 12-point, and it has the versatility of gripping any shape fastener in any condition.

@vegasmacguy: beladog is right. It's the quality of steel used, not the origin of manufacture. What do we expect for $60? Most homeowners will do just fine with this set. Sears knows that, otherwise they wouldn't be giving the Craftsman warranties. Pros will want top toughness like Snap On so they don't have to spend time getting replacements.

A metal's hardness doesn't necessarily mean weaker flexular strength. There's a certain brand of cheap "wonder knives" (I forget the name but it's not Ginsu) that get demoed at stores. One of the tricks is to cut into a hammer and show the filings. Well, yeah, a serrated blade should do that. Hammer metal is not the hardest, because hardening might mar the flexular strength that's needed more.

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You can no longer assume a Craftsman hand tool carries the traditional lifetime warranty. They have been narrowing that in recent years in a number of ways. You need to read the package carefully, and retain the package and the receipt forever. Even then, they will use dodges to avoid replacement, such as not carrying the same tool in open stock as they sell in the sets.

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@rex b: It's true Sears has been getting a bad reputation with individual stores refusing to honor the lifetime exchange. But it doesn't seem to be official policy. One of their former execs, a David Figler, sent a memo to stores in 2009 reminding them of what the warranty terms mean. Unfortunately Figler, and another helpful exec named Stephen Light, have both left.

The Evolv line and Companion predecessor have a "lifetime warranty" but require the receipt. Those are disposable tools, anyway.

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@dyip32: The flaw in your logic is that I can't buy a smartphone or TV made in the US. My only choice is to not buy one at all. The same is not true for wrenches, I can buy US made wrenches from a number of quality sources so I have that additional choice