dealsthe demise of guys: why boys are struggling and…

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I think the problem is there are TOO many guys, dudes and G's and not enough MEN. Too many "guys" are self-involved, entitled jerk offs who don't know what it means to be a real man and a real husband.

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@wootmeharder: Not going to argue with your point exactly, but I think there is more to it than that. I got about halfway through the text on my lunch break and I agree with the research they are putting forth. Instant gratification is the name of the game. There are not enough reasons (can be read as role models) to be a "man" nowadays. It's certainly not easy or desirable in many respects.

I don't know you or your full opinion but judging by your comment I think your attitude towards it is not very helpful either. Any other person suffering from an addiction gets sent to rehab, you call them immature.

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You are right about lacking real men,all thanks to our progressive, social engineering establishment in power now tearing apart families with hippy "anything goes" philosophy. Marrige is lame, family worthlesss, and men are pigs. These are the messages our hippy, secular progressive media and education system feed us constantly. Our society is completely chickified. If boys try to act like boys they get sent to detention, expelled,sued etc. Women run out and have babies on their own to show they don't need a man and so on and so on. As a result, we end up with a generation of "guys" with no sense of purpose or responsibility and no role model of what it is to be a real man.

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So it's a rehash of Cox's 'Boys Adrift,' then?

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I would like to thank Wootmeharder for illustrating my point. It is difficult to rehab those who were never "habed" to begin with. I learned to be a man from my father, brothers, scriptures, Boys Scouts of America and other good examples around me. Illegitimate children are now half the population. Will they have the models I have had to learn to be a man? Many people, of both genders, are neither taught nor obligated to grow up and be real men or women and calling them immature is completely accurate and fair while not entirely their fault. After all, they didn't invent the participation trophy and they were taught their whole life they were entitled to one. Now have sex in urinate publicly in Zucatti Park and plot to blow up bridges screaming that life and the system owes them everything and it is not fair they don't have it yesterday.

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@ptucker2: You make a good point. I just feel people have too soft on bad behavior. I just wish they had been taught better than they have. I am not trying to knock you.

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@russellthegreat: I know you aren't trying to knock me. I agree that there aren't many real men and people are soft. I know that it's been hard for me to get to the point I'm at now because it is so hard to find role models and escape the instant gratification type vices I grew up with. I just think it's hard to give much credence to @wootmeharder s argument. Sure, she (sorry if not), can say that guys are jerk offs, but what good is that doing? As you said, it's our culture. Men are rapidly becoming obsolete both because of male lethargy and female ingenuity (improvement?). It's a vicious cycle because fathers aren't teaching their sons to be men and sons are becoming fathers in the same vein, if not a worse one. This all the while, promoting a culture that really doesn't value true manliness, not that you could easily define true manliness anymore.