dealspfi rapid reticle sops red dot sight for $229.99…

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love the gun deals, woot! please keep them coming.

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Any reviews? Couldn't find any online

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I don't know how much this is worth, but seems expense to me. I purchased red dot and green dot scopes for under $100 on Amazon during a rebate offer. They are not zoom scopes but I don't hunt so I don't need zoom. It's more for quick target acquisition for close quarters that I will need it for. I got the Bushnell Trophy and the other one was some likely China made one. What I want is a green or red ghost ring for my Benelli M4 Tactical Auto Shotgun.

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@ woot tang clan, Get a Nikon Nikoplex. Nikon makes some of the best scopes. Bushnell is not really a model you can depends on. If you dont want a scope then just get an EOTech Holographic sight, cost about $500 almost everywhere. hands down best sight i have ever owned for my M4. i wouldnt really recommend a red dot or green dot for a shot gun. btw good choice with Benelli. is it tactical?

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A post that contributes nothing about the product:

Dear god, my pre-caffienated eyes read that as "rapid testicle..."

Time to put down the laptop and get to the coffee maker.

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@gryhnd: couldn't be any worse than "rapid rectal sight."

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@un4gvn1: Thats not the same model. That model is not night vision compatable and does not have the auto on/auto off feature to name a few.

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@babystewie: I have a couple Action-4s, which are roughly similar to these (multi-reticle vs NV/auto brightness). They are high quality Japanese-made sights, and I've had no issues with them on my AR-15. If you can deal with the reduced battery life and the need to use risers for AR-height co-witness, I think the Action-4 and SOPS make for reasonable alternatives to Aimpoints. Not thrilled about the 5 MOA dot on this one, but it's livable.

That said, these SOPS sights seem somewhat overpriced. Last time I saw them being sold at SWFA, they were running at $200. And the Action-4, which had a similar MSRP, was sold for a hundred bucks less. Personal opinion is that these should be dropped to $150-$200 to sell out, but I don't know how the financials work on Woot's end.

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@un4gvn1: That is not the same sight. The one you linked is and Action-4. This is the SOPS.

In fact, if you follow the link to the manufacturer's site that you provided it shows both models on the left side, right next to each other.

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"Can be used with handguns, rifles, shotguns, archery applications, and military grade weapon platforms"

I was just looking for a red dot sight for my LAW...

=)

In all seriousness, though, I'm really hoping they bring out a guns.woot site soon. Heck, I'd take survival.woot or outdoors.woot if it did gun bits along with knives and outdoorsy stuff (sleeping bags, tents, etc)

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@un4gvn1: Not the same sight, but similar. The Action-4 has four reticles to choose from (it maintains zero between reticles), while the SOPS has NV and auto brightness modes. The SOPS is probably somewhat better for real-world "rifle work", but the Action-4 would seem to be preferable for pistols and shotguns. You could use either sight on any platform, of course; I've been running an Action-4 on an AR-15 quite successfully.

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Although I am loving the gun deals on Woot, 5 MOA Red Dot is not that great... I would much rather the Primary Arms multi-reticle with a 2MOA dot and 4 different reticles to choose from for 1/2 the price (even cheaper during their sales).

https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_MultiReticle_Red_Dot_Sight_PAM3M_p/pam3m.htm

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I have the action 4 and it is pretty nice. One thing to be aware of is that the 33mm tube makes it difficult to find any rings for mounting. It seems the only place that makes them is PFI for ~$200. It does come with some, but you will be paying for them if you have them ever break. Just something to think of before buying

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@ynotbehappy: The Action-4 is a much better sight than that one, and I've owned both. I compared them side by side:
http://cheapassgunner.wordpress.com/2012/03/22/review-pride-fowler-action-4-quad-reticle-reflex-sight/

@mattkng: The QRR is going down to $100 MSRP soon... I assume it'll be more like $80 from SWFA and the like once it restocks. Still overpriced (my Leupold quick release rings were like $55 for a pair), but at least it's not out of this world. Also, if the rings break, send them back to PFI for free new ones. Lifetime warranty. I've gotten excellent fast service the one time I needed something (new adjustment tools for my SOPS Compact MRDS).

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@un4gvn1: OK, late last night my somewhat blurry eyes would have sworn it was the same scope.

I messed up, I'll try to do better in the future.

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This would be fine for plinking and that's about it. If you want something to stand up to hard use or you like shooting competitively at a local club or range look else where.

The 5MOA dot means it covers 5 inches of the target at 100 yards and 10 inches at 200 and so on.
There is not really a need to switch the color of the reticle.
Having the ability to change reticles is stupid also. The reticles on an Eotech for example are the shape they are for a reason as they have built in reference to bullet drop for the rifle (or caliber) they were designed for. With optics you definitely get what you pay for!
They say it suppose to be night vision compatible but if your this cheap on a red dot are you really going to buy a several thousand dollar night vision device?

I would strongly recommend anyone wanting an affordable red dot to look here http://www.vortexoptics.com/category/red_dots
They have excellent customer service if there ever is a problem.

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@sudnrush: Wrong, wrong, and wrong. I don't know why "brand I haven't heard of" must be immediately equated to "cheap", but PFI's stuff is extremely high quality and has NSNs. I LOL'd when I saw you telling people to buy a Vortex SPARC instead. It's not as good as the PFI SOPS or Action-4 by a long shot. Are most of us going to use the NV settings? Probably not. But the auto setting is quite nice, especially if it works as well as the one on the SOPS Compact.

Also, the reticles on the Action-4 DO serve a purpose, which you'd know if you read the instructions that came with that sight. They are not ornamental, they are geared towards LE and competition usage. In any event, this is not an Action-4.

I will grant that the 5MOA dot is larger than I'd like, but it's hardly a deal breaker. You want to do precision work, buy a 1-4x scope instead.

Go play with your toy reflex sight from Vortex and stop spouting nonsense. This stuff is the real deal, even if it's not an Aimpoint or an Eotech.

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@erwos: I will admit I was wrong to assume that because the PFI has all the features of the cheapest Chinese red dots that it is not better than it appears. My reference to the Vortex line of red dots is still a valid as they have the good features of the PFI as well as a smaller dot and are in the same price range. There have been many more positive and reviews in general of the vortex red dots than I could find for the PFI. The fact that the rings are a weak point in the PFI is further reason to discount it since if it can't be mounted reliably then how can it be trusted to hold zero? The sight may be capable but the rings may not be.
I could not have read any instructions since I do not own a PFI. Still there is no need to switch between 4 reticles it just adds more to confuse the shooter. Its a gimmick!
I don't own any vortex or PFI red dots and none of them are toys. So please keep your childish insults to your self. I am not insulting you or anyone else.

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@sudnrush: I disagree that the multi reticles are confusing and a waste. I think it comes down to a shooter's preference. I would rather have the choice, than not to have it. And if turning a nob and changing between 4 settings is "confusing", maybe you shouldn't be using a firearm?

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Only question is why did they put the end caps on a hing attached to the scope.... it might keep you from losing them, but if I'm using it on my gun the last thing I want to worry about is the cap falling back down onto the scope. At the very least they should have been designed to fold down so gravity would help keep them down instead of folding up where gravity will want to pull them back where you don't want them.

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@ynotbehappy: The confusing part sets in when each reticle is for something different and you have to remember what reticle is for what. If its just for shooters choice and there's no difference between them then its still a gimmick.
Sure its not a big deal for plinking and such but if used for competition or law enforcement and suddenly your under some stress and its on the wrong reticle cause the knob got bumped it can cause a lot of confusion.
So once again please keep insults to your self. I am all for discussing this and explaining why I have the opinion I do on these products. I will admit if I wrong which I already have. I am open to hearing other opinions as it may be something I never thought of or heard of and we can all learn something.

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@thomas998: They are spring loaded to stay open so you shouldn't have any problem with them closing on you. They are probably removable also if you would prefer to just take them off while using it.

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Not even useful on a handgun with its short eye relief. 5MOA center dot is also a waste of time on anything outside of a shotgun. This is the equivalent of the $50 chinese eotech knockoffs as far as functionality goes, although you'll have to shell out for rings that will fit, unlike a cheap rail holo.

Love seeing these kind of things on woot, just hate seeing overpriced junk. This is at most a $100 value, comparable to a little aimpoint pellet gun dot-sight.

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@elguappo: Then I guess our military uses Chinese knockoffs... We got these because it was part of a military decommit.

Also, can you elaborate when you say that the 5MOA center dot is a waste of time on anything outside of a shotgun? Maybe tell us how a 5MOA dot compares to a 2MOA dot in CQB.

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Sorry guys, this does not have multiple reticles. It has different light settings for the one reticle. This is not a switchable holo-sight (which are available from $50 on up, way up).

To stay on the positive, this scope would be useful on a 30 M1 Carbine. Use a non-intrusive method of mounting if yours is a collector. It could work well with a slug gun in season as well. Some of the 50cal muzzleloaders that can live with 1MOA clicks will work too. Anything where hitting a hubcap at the end of a football feild sounds like fine shooting.

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For comparison:

A S&W Model 29 in 44magnum with adjustable front (and rear) sight has a blade width of 4MOA, and at 200 yards that is more than annoying, it is downright frustrating. At 50, yes it works fine. However, the boilerplate description says:

"Can be used with handguns, rifles, shotguns, archery applications, and military grade weapon platforms"

Mmmm, yeah okay, what kind of eye relief are we talking here? This isn't an aimpoint style or eotech holosight style, so what gives? Makes me wonder about your comment regarding military equipment; questionable claims bring everything into more scrutiny.

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Just saw that this comes with rings. That is a plus.

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@elguappo: Your comments are just making you look ignorant. Eye relief? Dude, it's a reflex sight. All reflex sights have infinite eye relief, even the worst Chinese ones. I run an Action-4 on my Beretta Neos for fun, and it works perfectly fine. Damned accurate, in fact.

You're also not going to get a "holographic" sight for $50-$100. Those "holographic" sights are just reflex sights that use an LED. They don't work the same way as an Eotech (laser).

Finally, with about 30 seconds of Googling, you can find actual posts from Afghan vets who used PFI's gear. It's mostly their FFP scopes, but I've seen their reflex sights mounted on a rifle or two. The only person making questionable claims is you, and it pisses me off to see yet another excellent company get its name dragged through the mud just because the "cool crowd" can't comprehend a good reflex sight maker not named "Aimpoint", "Trijicon", or "Eotech.

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Oh, and FWIW, I think the adjustment clicks are 1/2MOA, not 1MOA. Someone needs to double-check with PFI, but they felt like 1/2 MOA in use. I very much doubt Pride and Fowler would screw around with 1MOA clicks - they're well-known pistol competition shooters, and they use their own gear.

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@sudnrush: Again, if you read the instructions, which I know you don't have, you'd see how to use them in an LE and competitive context. So stop talking about how the multiple reticles are not useful just because YOU don't have the information.

Honestly, this "I don't know, so it sucks" stuff is insane.

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@erwos: I compared them to a cheap reflex sight and lamented the price. Why is 1MOA click and a 5MOA dot not comparable? I gave an example of the limitations of a superior dimension iron sight for accuracy just for context.

Any tubed, anti-parallax dot style sight I have tried has a definite eye relief window. I cannot use all of them on a rifle and handgun both, not with both eyes sighting cleanly. I have both aimpoint and cheap aimpoint knockoffs and both display this issue.

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This a really awesome red-dot. We used these on our deployment on our SAWs and M4's. The best thing is that they never leave zero. The 5MOA is awesome because if the dot covered the head of our targets, we knew they were at 200 yards. Half their face, they were at 100, and head and neck, @ 300. We could adjust accordingly during combat. During raids from outside to inside, the brightness auto adjusted which was nice and it auto-turns off if you close the caps. Again, the fact that they don't leave zero even on a SAW was the best part.

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I've used the long distance PFI scopes in a professional setting and they worked really well. I preferred them to the Leupolds that some of our other rifles had. The glass is just as bright, but the reticle is much more user friendly.

I saw these in theater in use with several units. The carried an NSN and the operators generally liked them with few complaints, similar to the other optical sights used.

Based on the quality and dependability that my RR800 had, I'd trust my life to one of these guys without question or second thought.

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@elguappo: Sorry, but non-magnified reflex sights have infinite eye relief. That's not an opinion, it's fact. Parallax is a different concern entirely.

The Action-4 (and by extension, the SOPS) work fine on a pistol. Again, not opinion, fact. I don't know why you're arguing with someone who actually owns a fair bit of PFI gear, unlike yourself. If it was crap, I would have sold it, like I've done with other gear that I found was under-performing.

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Newbie question here to someone that owns/has used one. I found richn001's comments interesting.

Description says this auto adjusts and has 8 light settings. Typically, does the 5MOA dot completely occlude the part of the target covered by it, or can you usually make out the target details behind the dot itself (transparent or semi-transparent) with the right/correct setting, particularly if set to auto adjust?

Thanks

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@mrln: I am glad my comments helped you out. You typically will identify your target before you put the dot on him or it. Since it is a reflex sight without magnification, you must identify your target within your visual distance whether within the optic or outside of it. Once the dot goes on, you are engaging the target. You cannot identify the target through the dot.

I hope that makes sense. Being able to utilize the dot to range your target even in a brief second is vital. For the M4, your 100 and 200 yard impacts only have a 2" difference. For 300, if your dot covers the head and neck, your impact will hit upper center mass. Beyond 300, your bullet will continue to drop, so if you aim at head height, you will gut shot him, and then @ 500 - crotch shot and so on. As you practice, you will know your holds although typically, reflex sights are not used beyond 300. Obviously I am not promoting targeting humans...only explaining what we did as operators in theater.

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Mine came last week. As expected, it's a damn nice optic. The auto setting works pretty well, at least in my brief testing. I am still LOL'ing at the "this is just Chinese crap" crowd. Not even close...